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  • I thought I had some SONAR Midi weirdness going on , then I found out it was user error (p.3)
2017/08/27 19:23:03
Hangdog Cat
Thanks, I'll check that out.
2017/08/28 03:47:58
Anonymungus!
I've been using the diatonic scale setting exclusively for years with no problems. Without looking it up, I believe diatonic = chromatic.
Another method would be: in PRV lasso the notes and then just drag the selection up a half step.
I wonder if it transposes correctly that way.  Good luck! 
2017/08/28 07:57:33
kennywtelejazz
Anonymungus!
I've been using the diatonic scale setting exclusively for years with no problems. Without looking it up, I believe diatonic = chromatic.
Another method would be: in PRV lasso the notes and then just drag the selection up a half step.
I wonder if it transposes correctly that way.  Good luck! 




Hi Anonymungus!,
 
Like you ,I have been using the diatonic scale setting exclusively for years with no problems..
My Mistake was thinking the thing can handle Bebop style chromatic inflections along the lines of what Miles, Dizzy and what any other decent horn player would play  that's my story and I'm sticking to it 
FWIW, I would try the Piano roll lasso thing the problem is the "new smart tool"  is way too smart for me
 
OK I went back and decided to start something totally new and keep it super simple ...
This posts picture story involves  both the chromatic and diatonic transpose functions found in SONAR   
 
What I did first was to start a new project .  I decided to only play one chord comprised of a C Major triad .
My midi guitar voicing was E,5th string  G,4th string and  C3rd string  .
I only played one measure of music ...Then I copied and pasted each successive chord 2 ways  .
On one track I used diatonic transposition and on the other track I used chromatic transposition ...
here are the pics ,
Track composed of diatonic transposed pastes .....
Track View

Piano Roll View

Staff View

 
In the above examples I only played on chord a triad and pasted all the consecutive chords in VIA diatonic mode.
 
 
Next I took the same one chord comprised of E,G , and C and placed it on a new track ...all tranpostions were done in chromatic mode ..here are the results
 
Track View on the transposed midi.

Staff View

Piano Roll View

Piano Roll View of both tracks stacked

Staff View of both transposed tracks stacked for comparison

 
Well there you have it folks . Both forms of transposition in SONAR have very different attributes that can be very useful  to a musician working with midi .The desired results will depend entirely on what the persons end game is .
Also the results will depend on the persons ears and knowledge of music and music theory ...
 
This post has been my penance for having started a rather misleading topic with a dramatic SONAR title
( which I changed BTW)
Anyway , I was told a long time ago by a friend that you can only save one thing ,,,,
Your A$$ or your Face not both at the same time ...since I already tanked my butt , I may as well try to contribute to my topic in a constructive way that may help someone else ...
HHHmmm , the saving face part ..
 
all the best,
 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2017/08/28 12:02:47
fwrend
Anonymungus!
I've been using the diatonic scale setting exclusively for years with no problems. Without looking it up, I believe diatonic = chromatic.




These are not the same (see below).
 
Transposing diatonically would mean each of your notes WILL snap to the next step of the scale so rather than C transposing to C# (even though you indicate 1 step up) it will snap to D - the next note of the scale (in this case Ionian/Major) your major chord would then become minor C-E-G -> D-F-A.  Successive transpositions upwards this way would of course result in  M-m-m-M-M-m-dim and then repeat.
 
Transposing chromatically results in the integrity of the chord remaining intact, i.e. the Major C chord would transpose up by half steps resulting all Major chords built on each consecutive step up of the chromatic scale - C-E-G -> C#-E#-G#, etc.
 
You can see this in Kenny's last screen shot.  But don't let the staff view confuse you - the second chord in the bottom staff (chromatic) which shows F-G#-Db should be shown as F-Ab-Db to be notationally correct.
 
Ultimately it depends on what one intends to accomplish. If you want to practice all chords of a scale in each of the twelve keys, use the former; if you want to practice your major chords built on all twelve notes, use the latter.
 
WIKI
1. di·a·ton·ic [dīəˈtänik]
ADJECTIVE
1. music
 ~(of a scale, interval, etc.) involving only notes proper to the prevailing key without chromatic alteration.
 ~(of a melody or harmony) constructed from a diatonic scale.
  
2. chro·mat·ic [krōˈmadik]
ADJECTIVE
1. music relating to or using notes not belonging to the diatonic scale of the key in which a passage is written.
 ~(of a scale) ascending or descending by semitones.
 ~(of an instrument) able to play all the notes of the chromatic scale.
2. of, relating to, or produced by color.
 
EDIT: I didn't realize how many Snap options there are when it comes to MIDI and haven't explored how each of those options affect what the Process -> Transpose function does.  Again, I assume the Diatonic tick option would result in notes snapping according to the scale selected in the inspector if Snap is engaged? 
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