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  • [Resolved] Sustain Pedal and Rapture (p.2)
2015/03/01 09:52:05
gswitz
@Scook
Thanks for your suggestion. I'll consider it. I've been messing with Rapture all morning. I think I'm going to take a break and relax. I had a nice long jam using hold and some patches that aren't the new ones. haha. I'm basically happy that my old stuff is working so I can continue to play in the Rapture sandbox.
 
I don't know why only those patches don't sustain.
 
I reinstalled the Anderton Collection from C3 in case that might help. - it didn't.
 
I tested the behavior with my keyboard to try a different driver and midi input (instead of through the RME - the keyboard uses USB). The behavior is the same.
 
I may look for an old installer at Scooks suggestion. For now, I'm going to go hang with my family.
2015/03/01 10:34:37
scook
Based on Beltrom's remarks I doubt an old installer will make a difference but I can't say for sure not having installed Rapture in years.
2015/03/01 16:50:09
gswitz
Ok... don't laugh at me... but I think I have a better idea of what's what after using my keyboard for a while.
 
At the guitar, I don't totally control the note on/note off events as I do at a keyboard.
 
using a Steinberger patch
When I just hit a note and then release it, the note decays quickly.
It effectively stops sound at the key up moment.
 
When I step on the sustain pedal, hit a note and let the key up, the sustain lingers, but it is not a 'hold' scenario like you get with some pads and Dim Pro stuff. You get decay like with a keyboard.
 
I feel like I made a big fool of myself with this thread, but there you go. The difference was in the expectation. Obviously I rarely use piano like patches where the sustain button works like a piano pedal just letting the string ring out. I'm used to the sustain/hold pedal actually keeping the note/pad going indefinitely.
 
Sorry for being stupid about it. Learning curve again.
 
I should say, that at one point, I couldn't sustain ANYTHING in Rapture, but after the initial re-install, that problem went away. (or maybe one of the dozens of reboots, who knows - I Reinstalled Rapture at least 4-5 times.)
2015/03/01 17:04:07
scook
All that matters is you got the problem solved. Please update the thread subject
2015/03/01 22:24:56
Anderton
gswitz
Ok... don't laugh at me... but I think I have a better idea of what's what after using my keyboard for a while.
 
When I step on the sustain pedal, hit a note and let the key up, the sustain lingers, but it is not a 'hold' scenario like you get with some pads and Dim Pro stuff. You get decay like with a keyboard.
 
Sorry for being stupid about it. Learning curve again.



Not stupid! I didn't loop the sustain of the bass notes, but just let them decay naturally. So when you try to sustain, there's nothing that can sustain...the note will last as long as it wants to last.
 
I did try looping some of the notes to hear what would happen if sustained, but then the question becomes where do you loop...toward the end of the decay, the beginning, or what? Generally what I would do if I wanted sustain would be to loop the waveform relatively soon after the attack. But then the sound becomes more synth-like, and with Brian's Steinberger, I wanted it to be as authentic a sound as possible. 
2015/03/02 15:42:50
gswitz
Thanks Craig. That was nice of you.
2017/08/25 18:42:37
cakescott111
It's August 2017. and still no piano sustain. hmmm. Im on Cubase Pro 9 and Sierra on Mac.
I hope this sustain bug will be fixed in an update.
This is a simple necessity with piano patches.
I just installed Rapture, but I will avoid using the pianos
for now until  a viable download-update is available that has addressed and fixed this.
if one is available please let me know. Thanks.
By the way...Nice sounding product!
Thanks so much-
Scott
2017/08/26 00:23:42
gswitz
This is not a bug. There are two types of piano sustain. One just let's the sound ring and fade. That is what is described here.

The other is synth sustain that can go on indefinitely.

It works as designed.
2017/08/26 00:35:16
cakescott111
Good evening. thank you for your kind reply. as mentioned earlier.
This is a really good sounding product. I am a producer, programmer, writer here is Nashville.
I have been on Daws since 2003. this is the first time I have called up piano's in a library that did not
sustain when the piano sustain was pressed and I found a handful of threads with same predicament.
I guess you would have to be sitting here with me with the piano's pulled up and playing the keys and pressing the keyboard to articulate what it is you are saying. so I want to give you the full benefit of the doubt. but this just seems  simple to me....your piano patches are not being triggered by the sustain peddle, and yet it works on most all your other sound patches...which is baffling to me.
I am on MacOs Sierra 10.12.4, on a mac mini w Cubase pro 9.
Hope that helps.
Thanks for replying by the way,
Scott
2017/08/26 02:08:11
gswitz
I totally understand you, Scott. I stuttered on this same thing at one point.
 
You know how when you play a real piano the sustain pedal just allows for a natural sustain to fade the note out, but it doesn't damp the note? That's the way some patches work in Rapture. They do not sustain the note forever when you hit the hold pedal.
 
The purpose of this is explained in the post by Craig Anderton. He was going for a real sounding bass. He says this...
 
Chief Magic Officer
I did try looping some of the notes to hear what would happen if sustained, but then the question becomes where do you loop...toward the end of the decay, the beginning, or what? Generally what I would do if I wanted sustain would be to loop the waveform relatively soon after the attack. But then the sound becomes more synth-like, and with Brian's Steinberger, I wanted it to be as authentic a sound as possible.

 
So try one of the sounds and just tap and release the key without the sustain pedal. Then do the same stepping on the pedal. The note will still quickly decay, but not damped as it is when you don't step on the pedal.
 
There are plenty of Rapture patches that don't follow this pattern. Only some do. And those that do, do for a reason.
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