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  • So Long: Danny Danzi (p.7)
2012/12/11 07:42:51
tbosco
 WOW!!!!  And I am so glad I mis-read the title!!!
This tune is ready for the radio guys!
  I know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this, and it's not really a crit as more of a personal taste thing- but I'm not a fan of the short room reverb vocally.  I prefer a bit longer or maybe a bit of pre-delay.   Again, it's a taste thing.

Great lyrics, songwriting, and arrangement!  LOVE that guitar and the spread on rhythm guitars.

Mighty fine.  Thanks for sharing.
2012/12/12 04:50:43
Danny Danzi
tbosco


 WOW!!!!  And I am so glad I mis-read the title!!!
This tune is ready for the radio guys!
  I know I'm going to take a lot of heat for this, and it's not really a crit as more of a personal taste thing- but I'm not a fan of the short room reverb vocally.  I prefer a bit longer or maybe a bit of pre-delay.   Again, it's a taste thing.

Great lyrics, songwriting, and arrangement!  LOVE that guitar and the spread on rhythm guitars.

Mighty fine.  Thanks for sharing.

Hi Tony, thanks for checking us out and leaving some feedback. Truth be told, I too prefer the types of verb you spoke of. However, as I mentioned to shad (foxwolfen) being a product of the 80's, I had a serious addiction to verb. Especially pre-delay and longer tailed verb. If you're not careful, it can date you in a heartbeat and well, quite a bit of my recording techniques and sound are 80's esq as is...lol...so I try to stay away from the bigger verbs. I think this song would have lost it's up close and personal vibe going down that road. Yeah it's all a matter of opinion and you knowhow it goes...we'll never please everyone, but I must be honest in saying....
 
The day I left the larger verbs with more pre-delay behind, was the day my mixes improved. Trust me, if I truly hear something should be there that has something like that, I won't hesitate to use it. But another thing I've found is it also alters the sound of a voice to where your start and stop times sort of get jacked up. This allows me to hold out vocal parts longer instead of relying on a verb tail to extend me or a pre-delay to lightly swell me in or bring in the effect. You also have to be careful using bigger verbs or verbs with more pre-delay...so you can sometimes get less out of your vocal.
 
Using the smaller verbs, if you use the right one like say the EMT 250 that I used, it literally gorws the sound of the voice and because that verb is so lush and transparent, you can actually use a bit more of it and not go over-board. So I definitely get what you're saying and don't think you'll get any heat for it (other than an explanation from me which I hope you don't consider "heat") because it IS a way we could have gone that would have probably been acceptable too. :) Thanks again for stopping by and commenting. :)
 
-Danny
2012/12/12 05:12:24
STinGA
One word.......

Stunning!
2012/12/12 06:35:26
Bristol_Jonesey
This level of competence makes me want to go in one of 2 directions

1 - completely rethink the way I approach songwriting/guitar playing/mixing
2 - give up altogether because I'll never get this good.

Awesome stuff you 2 - you should be proud.
2012/12/12 07:17:35
tbosco
Yeah Danny... I agree on the verb....  It has to be the RIGHT reverb to sound "good".   If done "correctly"  (haha), a long tail can still be beautiful without overwhelming the mix IMO.  Lots of art in reverb to me.  ;-)

Just as a side note-  my opinion on Breverb is still very unclear.  I have loved the Lex sound for years, and I just have not found a "tail" in Breverb that compares (as we were just speaking about above.)  Thoughts?
2012/12/12 10:06:17
Danny Danzi
STinGA: Thanks for the listen and the kind words! Left you another novel on your song....hope it helps and you don't take offense to anything brother. :)

Jonesey: Thanks my friend! Nah, you don't need to change a thing. You've never shared anything with me that was weak in song, arrangement or your awesome guitar playing...so don't even think about it. :) Some of those epic pieces you've shared were incredible and you would get some high praises if you posted them here. The classic rockers and prog guys that like to be taken on a journey through song would jump all over you brother. Glad you liked the song, thanks again!

Tony: Yeah I agree with you too on all counts. I guess I'm just trying to sort of keep up with the times a bit while allowing my voice to shine a bit more than having the bigger verbs do the shining for me....if that makes sense? Trust me...if I let myself go, my entire mix would sound like it was in an airplane hangar. LOL!!!! I STILL love that big verb sound! I just got tired of being bashed for it...so I curbed the addiction a little. Hahaha!

Well, I share your feelings on the Breverb. I'm not that impressed with it at all. I'll give you a few things to consider that I think you'll enjoy. The Lexicon plug suite is fantastic. Next in line, the IK Multimedia CSR verb suite has really impressed me. They really did a nice job on that stuff. And of course, you can't go wrong with our old friend Sonitus. I still think that verb sounds great and can be tweaked into sounding like whatever you want with a little work.

But to me...the Grand-daddy of them all, is that UAD EMT-250 verb. That thing just totally obliterates everything because it's so lush and transparent. It truly is. No matter what you put through it, it will sound great. Sometimes you have to work it a little bit, but it doesn't take long to dial in whatever you need. The downside is...you need a UAD-2 card to have it. That said, that's one of my UAD effects that I'd be lost without. It's really an exceptional verb in my opinion.

Believe it or not...and you may laugh when I say this, but I still to this day, use the Cakewalk FxVerb. I can't tell you how many times I've been complimented when using that verb. People will say "what did you use on that vocal stack" etc. It's a good verb if you work it a little and it's easy to use. The downside, you lose it if you use Sonar 64. I have some awesome presets that I've created for that verb over the years. They still serve me well today and that verb is also pretty under-rated to me.

Then of course, last but not least, the use of properly recorded impulses. This seems to be what I use most often now because if you buy (or find) the right impulses, reverb takes on a different sound. You lose that digital verb type sound if you know what I mean? Impulses sound a little warmer and natural to me. Really great when creating room simulations for drums or especially guitar and vocals. I use them too as well as a digital verb. The impulses literally create the room atmosphere....the verb gives me the effect. So it's a nice combination if you play your cards right and experiment a little.

This works incredibly well for guitar sims. The problem we encounter with sims is, most times you can still hear that direct type sound going on. Adding a reverb to it can help a bit, but when you use the right "small room" or "mic air" impulse, that guitar takes on a different sound ambience. Like...you literally get the space between a cab and the mic and can add it in, tweak it, and honest, you can't tell the sound is a sim and it loses that "direct" type sound. I've experimented and done serious lab work on this sort of thing for many years. I'm at a point now to where I can mic my cab using a few mics at once, then use my speaker sim sound...and I can't even tell the difference because I've done in simulation, what was happening with the mic's in a sense.

You create a room within a room and eq the rooms, then compress them just right...control the space in which the room spreads and man...you have this incredible transformation that takes place on your guitar tones. Every time I mic my cabs, I always see how my speaker sim holds up against the mic'd cab files. I always find myself saying "why did I even mic it...it sounds nearly identical." LOL! :) Hope some of this helps...thanks again for stopping by.

-Danny
2012/12/12 10:43:22
JSGlen
Simply amazing! Wonderful performance and the recording and mix are spot-on.
2012/12/13 08:04:29
Danny Danzi
JS: Thanks a lot for the listen...glad you liked it, much appreciated. :)

-Danny
2012/12/14 18:20:50
paulo
Wish I couldn't sing like that lol ! Has something of your fellow New Jerseyans Bon Jovi about it, both in style and composition, which is just fine by me *


* ( ignoring the last couple of albums which just felt kinda lazy to me).

Anyhoo, back to the song in question..........it's all good guys - well done !
2012/12/14 21:51:36
panup
I'm a little late to join the party but I guess it's never too late... This is one of the sweetest sounding vox from Danny I have ever heard. Maximum respect!
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