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  • So Long: Danny Danzi (p.8)
2012/12/14 22:04:00
CLEAN
This is really nice - production is top notch - love the vocals.
2012/12/15 21:33:21
Danny Danzi
Paulo: thanks man, much appreciated. I've never been much of a Jovi fan believe it or not...but thanks for the compliment. I'm sure you could sing even better if you put a little time into it. Ok, it may take a lot of time...it's taken me forever and I'm still not quite happy. I sang back-ups for most of my life. I started singing lead vocals in like the early 90's. I'm still trying to nail that "lead vocal" sound to where I no longer sound like a back-up singer attempting to sing lead. It's the hardest thing I've ever tried to do. Whew, they sure ain't kidding when they say "you're either born with a voice, or you aren't." I know I sure wasn't, so I keep working at it. I just wish it wasn't so frustrating to achieve though I am happy with my progress thus far. It's just taken me way longer than I thought it would to at least get consistent. Timbre...uggh...that's another issue altogether.

Panu: Never too late is right...thanks man! So glad you liked the vocals.

Mark: Thanks a lot for the listen and kind words. I sincerely appreciate the vocal compliment.

-Danny
2012/12/15 22:46:42
alkie
Absolutely loved this. The funny thing is I`m an Atheist but some of my fave bands were Barren Cross , Stryper, Leviticus, Bloodgood and Whitecross.

Wicked job on the Instruments & Vocals Danni and such great songwriting Phillip.
2012/12/17 06:29:25
Danny Danzi
alkie: Thanks for the listen, glad you enjoyed it. Hahaha...we're the opposite from each other. I'm a "believer" yet I don't listen to any Christian bands.

Thanks for the props on the instruments etc. Just a FYI as for some reason this may have gotten lost somewhere, but I actually wrote and created this entire arrangement from another song Philip had written. I used and re-arranged a few of his melodies as well as the lyrics and re-wrote this particular piece from the ground up.

If he ever decides to share his original version of the song, you'll hear how much different they sound from each other. His original was the inspiration, but the song movements, feel, vocal phrasing and parts in this version are completely different from the original. Of course I'm sincerely not trying to take anything away from Philip as it is his song and always will be, but I don't want anyone to think I just performed his song verbatim and sang exactly what was given. That was not the case at all and I did take part in actually writing and arranging what you hear on this version. :) Lead vocal phrasing, back up vocal harmonies, instrumentation, flow, key changes, additional parts...none of that existed in the original to the extent it does now. He DID have that going on in the original, it was just way different than this and wasn't the same flavor, parts or style.

Like he had mentioned in one of his posts, he pretty much gave me a country vibe in the original with totally different vocal phrasing and song parts. I turned it into this and produced it based on the inspiration. :)

-Danny
2012/12/17 07:58:31
tbosco
Danny-  Sorry so long getting back to you.   I also use the CW FXReverb for a few things.  No problem with it.  The Sonitus works very well for me, and I really get mileage out of my old friend the Lex Pantheon.
A freebie that I use a LOT is called AMBIENCE.  If you haven't checked it out, you should.  Probably the best freebie "on the market"..  LOL 

My problem with the Breverb is that no matter which style I choose, they all sound like '80s gated reverb...without the gate.  Longer "whooshy" tails...not ambient space tails.
Is it just me there?
2012/12/17 08:14:40
Danny Danzi
tbosco


Danny-  Sorry so long getting back to you.   I also use the CW FXReverb for a few things.  No problem with it.  The Sonitus works very well for me, and I really get mileage out of my old friend the Lex Pantheon.
A freebie that I use a LOT is called AMBIENCE.  If you haven't checked it out, you should.  Probably the best freebie "on the market"..  LOL 

My problem with the Breverb is that no matter which style I choose, they all sound like '80s gated reverb...without the gate.  Longer "whooshy" tails...not ambient space tails.
Is it just me there?

Hi Tony,
 
No problem...it's the holidays and it's not as easy, trust me I know. Between all the holiday stuff and all the winter releases I have over here, my time is going to be limited as well for the next few weeks/months.
 
As for the Breverb thing, I really don't know. I only have whatever we get in Sonar, so I don't know what options we are missing if we have the paid for version. I think the verb itself has some cool possibilities, but to be honest, the timbre of it just doesn't do anything for me. That could be due to me having the limited version, but in my opinion, the verbs that come stock in Sonar smoke it.
 
Yeah I have that Ambience verb...that is a pretty good one. I'm not totally crazy about the sound of it, but for a free verb it's definitely a cool tool to have in your arsenal and I have used it on a few things.
 
Do you have the Breverb that you pay for? If you're not happy with that version, it's safe to say it's probably not for you. If you are basing your opinion on the one that came with Sonar, we both may be missing the boat on it without having the full version. Or...do we have the full version and it was the TH2 that was a partial? I really don't dive into stuff like this too much because I have my own stuff that I use that I'm completely happy with. But the little I messed with Breverb, it didn't blow me away or anything.
 
-Danny
2012/12/17 08:23:31
tbosco
I only have what came with X2.
2012/12/17 09:22:18
alkie
Danny Danzi


alkie: Thanks for the listen, glad you enjoyed it. Hahaha...we're the opposite from each other. I'm a "believer" yet I don't listen to any Christian bands.

Thanks for the props on the instruments etc. Just a FYI as for some reason this may have gotten lost somewhere, but I actually wrote and created this entire arrangement from another song Philip had written. I used and re-arranged a few of his melodies as well as the lyrics and re-wrote this particular piece from the ground up.

If he ever decides to share his original version of the song, you'll hear how much different they sound from each other. His original was the inspiration, but the song movements, feel, vocal phrasing and parts in this version are completely different from the original. Of course I'm sincerely not trying to take anything away from Philip as it is his song and always will be, but I don't want anyone to think I just performed his song verbatim and sang exactly what was given. That was not the case at all and I did take part in actually writing and arranging what you hear on this version. :) Lead vocal phrasing, back up vocal harmonies, instrumentation, flow, key changes, additional parts...none of that existed in the original to the extent it does now. He DID have that going on in the original, it was just way different than this and wasn't the same flavor, parts or style.

Like he had mentioned in one of his posts, he pretty much gave me a country vibe in the original with totally different vocal phrasing and song parts. I turned it into this and produced it based on the inspiration. :)

-Danny

Well then let me say you did a Friggin Fantastic job on this ...I love it ...It is what I call my kind of MUSIC,
And I`ll just say thanks to Phillip for having such a song that you could rework into this Masterpiece. 
 
Cheers,
 
Alan
2012/12/17 16:40:38
philz
Wow, this was just somewhere beyond excellent.  You guys should feel very proud about this one.
2012/12/18 01:00:29
Philip
Thanks Phil and Alkie for your awesome thoughts and validation.

Caleb (the original singer) and I don't listen to Christian or Country Music (at all) ... Ironically, this was Country ... in its original incantation.  I wrote it to tribute our late Jimmyman ... trying to 'appreciate' his excellent 'Country' euphonics, etc.

But Country really isn't my thing ... and I fail singing it.  Caleb lushly sung the original quite well for Alabama folk, IMHO.  But, I deeply craved a seasoned retro-rock polar opposite of this ... and invited Danny to re-do the song with stronger emotives.  

My songs seem to crave eternal love and salvation.  And, for the rock star to remain responsible toward that: emotive, and inspired ... that was my chief concern ... 

For re-clarification on the song and lyrics ... Danny stayed verbatim on my lyrics, eliminating a couple of my original lines while not adding/changing any lyrics, iirc ... and he repeated a couple verses at the end.


He delivered and performed EVERY vocal and instrument in this one!  He started with sketches 1st, then delivered final performances.  Some of his original guitar sketches and drums remained in the final song ... so the spontaneity was not killed by excess polish.

There were no samples outside of his fingers and vox.  Necessarily, this was non-eclectic ... a lonesome one-man band!  Anything eclectic would probably have lessoned the sweet lonesome invocations of this song.  IMHO.

This song (just like the original) remains in the key of C ... cruising along the circle of 5ths, iirc (white keys, minor substitutions, etc.) ... but via Danny's personal invokations and inspired harmonies and counterpoints.  

Interestingly, IMO, These harmonies and counterpoints could even be 'mixed' back into the original gene-pool melody ... as a vibe-hybrid and harmonization ... but the vibes would clash and things would de-volve horribly.  (Hahahaha, as a physician, I myself don't believe in Darwin, but songs/genres are all 'gene pools' to me ... where songs and genres evolve and devolve ... via God, man, and/or the devil)

I'd conjecture: While this song version is almost 100% Danny, it is also almost 100% Philip's prayer, a strong percentage of God's groanings, and/or perhaps almost 100% any-lonesome-man loving his woman for so long!  
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