foxwolfen


Matt, you do not need to defend yourself. There are one or two arses who think they are gods gift to music and this forum, but when you hear their crap, its... well crap... so where some of these bozos are coming from is beyond me. You have a vision you want realized. There is nothing wrong with that. You came and asked for help, and instead you got arrogance and ego, which is so very wrong. If Chuckbaby was all that good... well he would not be *here*. I would not pay him to wipe my arse. As I said, I am willing to help if I can, but I have no illusions about my crap.

Hey Shad, I hope you wern't refering to me.  I listened to the first link and whilst I could sit down and try and work this out, the resulting track would probably sound nothing like what Matt wanted.  Matt does not have the musical or technical lexicon to properly explain what he is trying to achieve.  So any attempt a producer would make on this track would be their interpretation and little of the original idea would remain.  This was because there is no structre, no time signature, no speed, no anything really just a jumble of melodies and rythems.  Matt if he is genuine and I'm sorry but I still have a hard time believing that he is, needs to start learning his craft.  One thing he could do if he is genuine and someone is willing to help him is tell us what his favorite music is this might make it easier for us to interpret the links he has posted.
 
Peace Ben

No Ben. I was not referring to you. You may be eccentric, but I have not seen any snobbery in you. Maybe the way he can start to learn the craft is exactly what he asked. And with some guidance, he might be able to achieve his goal. I am not saying it will be easy, but others telling him he is disgusting... and that he needs to pay... sickening. Just sickening.

I've gone back several times to listen and still can not grasp any sort of melody or song concept from this. 

However, I do believe you hear a song in your head. You will need one of several things to get this into a song format in a DAW.

1. Find a very patient and borderline clairvoyant person to work with.

2. You will need to learn a bit about music to explain your ideas better.

3. You will need to get one of the cake products to start learning how to use drum loops and such things to get the idea out of your head and into the DAW.

4. It would really, really help if you played some sort of instrument so you could use it to get the ideas across.  

5 buy Band in a Box or Song Smith..... SS is much cheaper..... it does all the work for you.    

Paul McCartney wrote Yesterday as a melody and chords first.... he sang (according to what I heard) the words " Ham and Eggs" to fill the space until he wrote the lyrics..... 

I met and know a songwriter with some #1 hits who does not sing nor does he play an instrument. Yet he has written over 10 top hits some of which hit #1 on the charts.  He says he's not a singer BUT..... he can carry a rough melody. So when he goes to hire the musicians to record the song, he's able to sing the parts well enough to get his ideas across. 

I recommend that you take the time to gel your ideas a bit better, to the point where you can sing a recognizable melody. The co-writer on a bunch of my songs can not sing her way out of a wet paper sack, but she can get her ideas across..... all it takes is the will to do it. 

I can only add that music is the language of the soul. It speaks from us in ways we can't control. It speaks of love and loss and things we never knew. Music describes the things we did and did not do? It's something unpredictable but in the end there's life? I hope you had the time of your life...

There are cave paintings in France,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lascaux

"These paintings are estimated to be 17,300 years old." Go back 30,000 years and there was another species of human? (Neanderthal) Think about it, the Pyramids are what? 4500 years ago? Give or take? They are standing, but crumbling... We go back much farther?

They had music? They did not have "farming..." They were hunter gatherers?  Music touches us in ways which other things cannot... I've written music? I hope it lives on beyond me, as the paintings in Lascaux.

Music can be described, yet has intangible qualities... You can describe a tree to someone who has never seen one, but how would you describe music to someone who has never heard it? I'm not sure you could...

Music can make you happy, sad, nostalgic, patriotic? It can evoke a wide range of emotion unlike almost anything else. As artists, we are very special people, very special indeed... Ancient, and yet, at the same time? New. What we do is magical... I have said this many times before, and I say it now? And I will say it again, "what we do is magical." You should all be very proud of your gifts and abilities regardless of what they are, we are all very special.

I now understand that if I want this song produced, I must produce it myself--it would be nearly impossible for me to get it across at this point (but I view that as a good thing as that's an opportunity for me to gain knowledge and experience in music).  Although, I never expected some disappointment to arise from this topic.  I was not begging in a selfish manner for this song to be produced--I just posted this as information, a positive request that others would hopefully view as an enjoyable opportunity and actually produce it if they desire.  And then, I made another post giving more insight into my song--just a bit of more information itself about the song for others to feel free to read about, not some arrogant response demanding that my song be produced.

As for my view on this song I made, it's not an ego that makes me view this song as powerful just because I made it--I truly feel that it is powerful.  If I didn't make this song and instead have heard it from somewhere else (or even if a person I didn't like made this song), I would have perceived this song the exact same way.  I just felt the need to get this out of the way because I feel uncomfortable being perceived negatively both in my music and me as a person.

MattMVS7


This song I created is very powerful to me and came to me in a dream.  I really want this song made, but I don't have the knowledge or experience in music necessary to produce it myself.  I could only imitate it the best I could with my voice, although I have no experience in singing.

This song has a happy heroic tune that has an opening/closing feel to it (like the opening/ending of a commercial).  This opening happy tune leads into the powerful motivational intense action choir and is combined with the intense action near the end of the song (the action tune now feels like it's at its highest point nearing the end, as explained above, that happy tune also has a closing feel to it--taking the action tune to the end of the song where at the very end the happy tune plays by itself to end the song).  But when you hear the action and happy playing together, it may not seem like they go together in technical terms.  They really do go together, it's just my singing flaws making it seem off (I hear them perfectly playing together in my mind).

The instrument that plays the happy tune in my mind is a whiny type of instrument (whiny in a positive way).  I don't know what this instrument is.  The instrument that plays the intense action I think is some sort of orchestral instrument.

Now I have sung this happy tune the best I could get it.  However, when I combined the action part with it, it doesn't go together hardly at all because the action part was sung sort of flat with not much increase in pitch over time to match the happy part (that's my opinion on why I think so).

But I have also sung this happy part in a different way (practically the same as the previous version), and when combined with the intense action, I can actually see how they go together.

This version of the song has me singing the intense choir.  The choir is in another language with words that sound like "cholly jolly energy" which is just my take on what those words sound like, but are actually not those words.

http://soundcloud.com/mat...w-zelda-opening-song-1

Now this version of the song is the sung instrumentation with the happy tune sung most accurate (though it doesn't seem to go with the intense action):

http://soundcloud.com/mattmvs7/the-new-zelda-ope

And although the instrument does sound whiny, it does not sound like how it was portrayed in that song.

And here's this version of the song with that happy tune sung not as accurate, but seems to go with the intense action.  I'm showing you this version of the song as well because perhaps you will also see how they are supposed to go together, and based off of knowing that, produce the song how it should be.

http://soundcloud.com/mat...new-zelda-opening-song

And this song I made is not just random stuff put together--it's an actual song. When the opening happy tune leads into the action and the action is over, the happy tune plays again to close the action and open up into the other part of the action.


I would really appreciate it if someone could produce this song for me.  I have made many more songs (sung) on my SoundCloud page, but this is the one and only best song I absolutely want to be produced.  If someone could produce this, I would be grateful.  Thank you.

LMFAO!!!!




Man those links is funny .....bad ...how could you not laugh 


Far out funny stuff .... If its a joke it's funny ....if its not a joke ...it's still funny ...win win 








This is funnier than Bapu going down the water slide at the bachelor party singing splish splash I was taking a bath 


Best thread ever!!!

I never listened? I knew it was not the quality that we post/expect? Based on the comments in the thread. But as I would not laugh at you standing at the urinal next to me? I did not laugh at this person. Again, music is intangible, and is the language of the soul. Some are better at expressing it than others? And some are more laughable at the urinal... 

(I'm sorry for that right there Lord, and please be with the Pygmies in New Guinnea...)

In this I agree with you Robby. But, I did listen, and I could make out what he was trying to sing. But more importantly, its not terribly difficult to trial and error it out until he finds something to bring him closer to what he hears in his head.

MattMVS7


I now understand that if I want this song produced, I must produce it myself--it would be nearly impossible for me to get it across at this point (but I view that as a good thing as that's an opportunity for me to gain knowledge and experience in music).  Although, I never expected some disappointment to arise from this topic.  I was not begging in a selfish manner for this song to be produced--I just posted this as information, a positive request that others would hopefully view as an enjoyable opportunity and actually produce it if they desire.  And then, I made another post giving more insight into my song--just a bit of more information itself about the song for others to feel free to read about, not some arrogant response demanding that my song be produced.

As for my view on this song I made, it's not an ego that makes me view this song as powerful just because I made it--I truly feel that it is powerful.  If I didn't make this song and instead have heard it from somewhere else (or even if a person I didn't like made this song), I would have perceived this song the exact same way.  I just felt the need to get this out of the way because I feel uncomfortable being perceived negatively both in my music and me as a person.

No. In fact, many here would probably suggest - NOT to self-produce it as you really have to cultivate that skill and it's much, much harder and more intricate than composition/arranging (Heck, I'm still learning) You don't even know how to write it or what you want to write. Again, you are putting the cart before the horse.


Let me reiterate that you need to take a step or two back - even if a positive opinion is given because not all truthful criticism is meant to be harmful. It's easy for someone to give a thumbs down to something they like (and that is cohesive and coherent) or point out areas that could use improvement that caused the thumbs down. However, it's very hard to give positive feedback to something that is not liked; yet, suggestions can be made as to the improvements, so that it is enjoyable (and this doesn't mean it'll be enjoyed by everybody)


To paraphrase Ben, you seem to not have musical chops whereas I do (this is not bragging), but not everything I put on display is liked -- nor am I naive enough to think this will happen. I know what it means to put oneself in a song (heart, emotion, etc.), but it appears that your feelings are scattered; however, to illustrate this, the music shouldn't be.


I listened to a tune that had a very good structure, but its small sections didn't sit well to my ears; yet, I knew where this band was trying to take the song. IOW, there was order among the chaos and they took the "clean it up some" comment well. I would have said this, even if I didn't like the piece - and I did like it. I even helped analyze it. It comes down to deciding what you want, seeing what tools are at your disposal deciding which ones to use and for what purpose. Then carefully shaping and molding it into what you've envisioned. However, don't be afraid if/when things change because they do. If you do get to a point where no changes are needed, call it done - do not force anything!


No one here is knocking the tune being you, but using myself as example, given the "well-structured" pieces I have put up, if I put up something like your first track, I'd perhaps get the same reactions (and perhaps hate it myself) or maybe worse because members can identify me, but that's because I have and can identify myself musically (and I have gone and go through the same issues you are going through to get there). And everyone has put up rough sketches, sometimes a little too rough, but again if it's going in one general direction and not wandering aimlessly ... 

Folks like Ben (though he wasn't PC about it), Herb (GH), and myself have given you suggestions to get this piece traversing a particular path or at least taking the first steps before you walk it around and back. Dealing with music isn't necessarily easy, but it's certainly not as hard as it's made out to be. It take time, assistance, persistence and patience!

foxwolfen


In this I agree with you Robby. But, I did listen, and I could make out what he was trying to sing. But more importantly, its not terribly difficult to trial and error it out until he finds something to bring him closer to what he hears in his head.

yes,its called practice,something in the old day that we used to do before someone would agree to make songs out of our hums.
 
so mooch calls it bad and i call it discusting but you wont say anything to him will you ?
there you go again picking and choosing who you decide to put down.
not because of what someone says,but who the person is who says it.
 
your the one who should be ashamed shad.
Hey look...theres another person who suggests that hes going to have to pay to have it done...
so what are you going to say to that person ?
nothing,thats what your going to do,nothing.but yet youll even have the gall to print my name on this page.
well so will i....
 
your just like everyone else said you were in the coffee house..your shallow shad.not standing up for what is right but picking out one person to make an example out of, to make yourself look like a hero.
 
still curious though why Matt hasnt answered us what he used to record those samples with.
was it sonar sonar matt ?
it sound like you did an overdub,is that correct?
 
this is the thing matt,if you came on this forum and asked for some direction...
i probably would have laughed a little inside but respected the fact you were looking for help and how to get started in the field.
but to throw around.."can someone produce this song for me"
is ignorant and i know a thing or two about being ignorant..so i should know.
see for me,to only record the music and vocals of my songs,it takes a few days.
so when someone thinks its easy to just produce someones song,it offends me.
theres alot that goes into it....days..days..then mixing..days..mastering..days.
 
my ideas start very similar to your believe it or not.
i sometimes start with a mic and a blank track and hum out my songs as well..its a starting point right?
yes it is but that doesnt mean i would posting it asking someone to produce it for me.
if im going into something i know nothing about...well i do some homework first.
as you should have...as you should do now.
get your self a keyboard and learn  a little bit about playing an instrument.
because if you want to be a good songwritter your going to need to learn an instrument and not rely on others to take your ideas and turn them into something that is not what you want.
 
if i posted something like my scratch tracks on here(my hums)
i would expect to be laughed at,rediculed and belittled.
 
now maybe you can understand why people putting in hours everyday for 20+years find it strange when someone
asks so much of someones tallents.
just like i get paid 40.00 hour to do studio work.
just like ive paid 40.00 an hour here in boston to have studio musicians come in and do tracks for projects ive gone over my deadlines on.
you cant possibly,seriously think someone would take on your project free of charge.
unless your shad.
which he has indeed offered to help you.not everyone will do that.
i look forward to hearing the end result.