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2011/08/18 05:10:13
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brundlefly



When you have selected the MIDI tab at the bottom the slider affects the MIDI velocity



That's not right. The Volume slider in the MIDI tab (or track header if you split the instrument track) sends MIDI Volume (CC7) messages to the synth that change its audio output level. The "Gain" knob at the top of the Inspector on the MIDI tab is the Velocity Offset control.

I was wrong here, thanks for the correction. In defence I can only say I was not sitting behind my DAW when writing this (yeah - I know, lousy defence, I should have checked before posting)...

Hmmm - going to check out those MIDI envelopes problems you mentioned.
2011/08/18 11:26:30
Rodab
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Rodab


Here's another: When i turn down the midi volume slider on one midi instrument it does nothing, when I turn it down on another it turns off the midi being played back. Holy crap....I've run into so many bugs in a single hour.


If you are using an simple instrument track keep in mind you have two sliders. When you have selected the MIDI tab at the bottom the slider affects the MIDI velocity, and if you have selected the Audio tab next to the MIDI tab the slider affects the output volume.

Keep in mind MIDI velocity is not the same as Audio output volume.

I did not notice any problem with automation, but I will definitely take a closer look at it...





Im just using a midi track that goes out to my hardware instrument, it has worked before just fine.  Turning the volume down on the midi channel stops the midi from playing back. I know it's not audio but I assume it should stop the midi from playing back as it has done that before and does it on my other equpiment....I could be wrong.


FastBikerBoy, I'd be interested in seeing if the grid disables on you as well.  Of course I am using a hotkey that I set up in the properties for the function.  I have changed the channel (as my midi instrument is channel 2) and it sometimes won't work.  After doing what was suggested (re-assigning it as brundlefly suggests) it will start to work.  As for the copying and pasting, it works, but the notes don't get played....I have to redraw them by hand with the draw tool and it starts playing them.


Im starting to think that this is all related to me using midi hardware as it seems to be where Im getting all my issues.  Although the issues are the same for both midi synths I am using.


Im going to keep trying these things as I've got sonar all customized nicely the way I want to use it.  But Im thinking I may get in touch with support as you've suggested.


Thanks for all your input.
2011/08/18 11:49:18
FastBikerBoy
Im starting to think that this is all related to me using midi hardware as it seems to be where Im getting all my issues.  Although the issues are the same for both midi synths I am using.

Perhaps specific kit but not in general. I predominantly use hardware synths, drum machines etc. and occasionally soft synths.

Im just using a midi track that goes out to my hardware instrument, it has worked before just fine.  Turning the volume down on the midi channel stops the midi from playing back.

I'm a little confused what you mean here. If you mean turning the MIDI track volume down reduces the volume so you can't hear your hardware, that is working how it should. If you mean it stops it playing, as in stops the transport that's not normal.

Your notes pasting but not sounding sounds like you either have them pasted to a track that's sending on a channel to nothing or possibly that track has some sort of automation such as volume on it that is stopping it from sounding.

Having said that I'm currently editing a drum track and I've got some MIDI data that I inserted (not pasted) that I can see, albeit in a different colour that isn't sounding. I can't select it because it disappears as soon as I left click and reappears when I release it. I can't see it in the event list view even with all tracks selected. I'm assuming it's some sort of display bug.

I've even closed and re-opened the project and it's still there. It's only 4 or 5 snare hits but it's very bizarre behaviour. I've never seen nothing like it before except when showing multiple tracks in the PRV at once. Only trouble is I'm at the early stages of the project so there's only one MIDI track in the whole project at the moment. Very strange.

2011/08/18 12:11:05
brundlefly
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brundlefly



When you have selected the MIDI tab at the bottom the slider affects the MIDI velocity



That's not right. The Volume slider in the MIDI tab (or track header if you split the instrument track) sends MIDI Volume (CC7) messages to the synth that change its audio output level. The "Gain" knob at the top of the Inspector on the MIDI tab is the Velocity Offset control.

I was wrong here, thanks for the correction. In defence I can only say I was not sitting behind my DAW when writing this (yeah - I know, lousy defence, I should have checked before posting)...

Hmmm - going to check out those MIDI envelopes problems you mentioned.
No problem. Hope I didn't come across to harshly.  I just hate to see more confusion introduced by mis-information. Not that I never do that, myself, mind you.  


I wasn't in front of my DAW, either; I just know this stuff really well after all this time. I liked it better when MIDI "Gain" was called "Vel+", and was a numeric field along with Key+ and Time+, rather than a knob. I'm sure the Bakers did this for consistency with Audio tracks, but I think it just blurs the lines between the two, making it harder for noobs to understand the important differences

2011/08/18 12:42:06
Rodab
FastBikerBoy


Im starting to think that this is all related to me using midi hardware as it seems to be where Im getting all my issues.  Although the issues are the same for both midi synths I am using.

Perhaps specific kit but not in general. I predominantly use hardware synths, drum machines etc. and occasionally soft synths.

Im just using a midi track that goes out to my hardware instrument, it has worked before just fine.  Turning the volume down on the midi channel stops the midi from playing back.

I'm a little confused what you mean here. If you mean turning the MIDI track volume down reduces the volume so you can't hear your hardware, that is working how it should. If you mean it stops it playing, as in stops the transport that's not normal.

Your notes pasting but not sounding sounds like you either have them pasted to a track that's sending on a channel to nothing or possibly that track has some sort of automation such as volume on it that is stopping it from sounding.

Having said that I'm currently editing a drum track and I've got some MIDI data that I inserted (not pasted) that I can see, albeit in a different colour that isn't sounding. I can't select it because it disappears as soon as I left click and reappears when I release it. I can't see it in the event list view even with all tracks selected. I'm assuming it's some sort of display bug.

I've even closed and re-opened the project and it's still there. It's only 4 or 5 snare hits but it's very bizarre behaviour. I've never seen nothing like it before except when showing multiple tracks in the PRV at once. Only trouble is I'm at the early stages of the project so there's only one MIDI track in the whole project at the moment. Very strange.



Sorry, I have a problem being clear and concise it seems heh.  Anyways yes I mean: " turning the MIDI track volume down reduces the volume so you can't hear your hardware."  That's how it usually works, but it is not working like that currently on one of my hardware synths' midi track.


As for the pasting issue, i have automation only to the cutoff knob on my hardware synth and other notes in the same midi track are triggering, just not the three copied notes from another track.  Once I redraw those three notes with the draw tool they begin triggering.  I could possibly be doing the copy paste incorrectly.  All I am doing is cutting on one and pasting on the other using standard ctrl+x, ctrl+v shortcuts.


Your behavior with the snares is pretty wierd too, haven't had that one happen yet.


I also noticed last night that on a drum map I had recorded, that some of the drum hits were showing up, but outside of the area of the clip in the track view....so the clip is like  one measure long and then past that one measure where there is nothing but empty grey space in the track view are some drum hits. Really strange behavior we're experiencing.


All of this is with pretty basic stuff going on. As in only one or two tracks. that are only a few measures in length.
2011/08/18 13:14:22
Keni
Just a note regarding the topic line: snap following grid It's working fine here... Following the new PRV snap setting... Keni
2011/08/18 13:53:55
Rodab
Well my snap following grid works just fine, it just adjust the grids dimensions to draw to whatever is on the main snap settings every time I turn off snap using a keyboard shortcut.

So when i click caps lock to turn off snap, the piano roll grid jumps to whole note size and no longer is set to the size of the piano roll settings (and I don't have the grid set to follow snap settings on either, I have it to 1/16th size in the piano roll).  I can get along with it though.
2011/08/18 15:35:07
Keni
  Yes... I'm seeing that here too... I doubt it will be much of a problem, but I hope it gets fixed along the line somewhere... I guess you/we should file bug reports.... I'd better dsiable my Mods and try it again... I'll report back after that.... then file... Keni [edit] Yup... Confirmed with no mods present... Time to file... Keni
2011/08/18 16:05:59
GlennKay
     "the piano roll grid jumps to whole note size and no longer is set to the size of the piano roll settings"

One workaround is to set your PRV snap setting to follow the main grid, then you only have to change your main grid setting to get the needed PRV resolution. If you use key bindings to control your main grid resolution, you can make your changes lightning fast.

And i guess keep your fingers crossed that there will be a permanant fix before long.

As to the problem with automation envelopes, i get that too occasionally. Sometimes i have to assign the envelope two or three times to the desired parameter before automation starts to work. I think the problem is a little worse w/ hardware synths, but i'm not 100% sure about this.

Regards
Glenn

2011/08/18 16:23:01
Rodab
Thanks GlennKay, yes that is the work around I have come to at this point :)

Good luck everyone heh.
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