"Swagger"

one of several rock instrumental tracks in in the middle of finishing tracking and mixing on...


https://soundcloud.com/bats-brew/swagger


the big question i have on this one, is how the kick drum translates...
i'm building some signature kits in Superior Drummer

and i'm experimenting with the kicks right now, i like this particular kick setup, but not sure of general translation.
i'd love some feedback on it.....
thanks in advance for listening.....

I've known for some time if I need a little "swagger" this is the place to come.  Your drums and bass drum sound very good on my Rokit's.  I'm still learning how to mix drums properly, and your mixes have served as inspirations and templates for me in the past, and this is no exception.  Well done.

Tight little arrangement & some superfine hot licks...
Rawkin' good time...

I did a side-by-side listen to some Joe Satriani and Steve Vai to see what their kicks sounded like.

This is a subtle difference, but it sounds to me like they have just a bit more attack at the front of the kick sound, a little sharper transient.

Some designers will take a transient, and put that slice on the front of the big kick sound that they like, trim to fit.

Don't know if you want to get that detailed, but I think it might sharpen up the sense of the beat, help place the kick in the mix.

With regards the kick on my Event 20/20's it is not so much heard as felt as a positive/plosive thump in the chest.  Yes I can hear it but I think you know what I mean.

I like the tune as well and I think some understanding is dawning in my furry little brain

Thanks for sharing.



had to stay and listen to Highway Star.

Nice changes as with all of your music.  Not much to say except, MAN, YOU'RE GOOD!  Well recorded and played.

My Truth moniters never lie and those drums kick well. The song sounds great too. Nice, enjoyed. Interstate was sounding great as well. You always seem to bring in great sounds.

Peace be with you, Blessings, John

Lynn
thanks man.
it's good to know the different systems folks are playing back on, and whether things translate smoothly across at least the majority of them.
thanks for the input....


notnat
appreciate that.


Ultimate-
satch and vai, yes, i can understand that a/b process, they pretty much have nailed their productions of guitar-centric stuff for years now.
sharper attack....
check.
i kind of thought that too..... and i like your idea of the transient designer, i do have that at my disposal with the toontrack mixer....

i currently am using (3) kick tracks, one inside, one at the beater, and a sub......
so, i'm thinking high end and transient on the beater side, and mix that into the other two til i get more 'attack'.
i've got the low end covered.
i do a HPF filter on the kick (excluding sub) at about 40 hz.

Yeah Bats, the kick is kickin' and with a nice timbre if a kick can be said to have such a thing..I am on KRK Rokit 5's here. Great tune and playing too.

Wookiee


With regards the kick on my Event 20/20's it is not so much heard as felt as a positive/plosive thump in the chest.  Yes I can hear it but I think you know what I mean.

I like the tune as well and I think some understanding is dawning in my furry little brain

Thanks for sharing.



had to stay and listen to Highway Star.

wookie,
 heard vs felt..


i like the felt part, and i'm trying to create a kick that has that element, but doesn't over do it, and that's the hard part.


systems with subs, sometimes picks up all that kick info, and it can sound woofy....
so, i'm looking for the un-woofy version of the felt kick.
LOL




that said, i think i'm going to put some more POINT on it......
via the earlier conversations,  see if i can get attack to sit with 'FELT'




thanks for the input