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2015/08/22 19:45:43
scook
Bob In Portland
No, Cream did not crash, but it still does not work. 
 
Drop Kirnu Cream into an instrument track Presumably you mean an audio track, correct? Because Cream installed itself under VST instruments and it is impossible for me to put Cream in a MIDI track, just audio tracks. If this is wrong I'll need some help getting it to the correct folder.

I guess I should have said insert it into the project using an instrument track, not an audio track. While SONAR allows synths to be added to audio FX bins, Cream needs MIDI input it would need a MIDI track anyway. In this case, an instrument track makes sense. Cream is a VST, it cannot go into a MIDI FX bin. Drag Cream to the project checking these boxes in the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog

 
Bob In Portland
Make sure select "Enable MIDI Output" (this is the default) If we are still talking about a MIDI output on an audio track then I haven't been able to do it. There is a drop-down box where you can identify a MIDI output, but it never stays as such. It always reverts to an audio output.

This is the default for Cream. Just an FYI, it can be checked in the synth rack by right-clicking on the synth

The settings is also visible in the VST header and if not set when a plug-in is inserted, can be set there too

 
Bob In Portland
Enable Echo On in the track We're talking about the buttons that turn blue? No effect on anything
Set the input to your controller (if planning to record through Kirnu Cream) For the moment I am using a track of MIDI data. It doesn't seem to penetrate Cream in the audio track.
In the target instrument or MIDI track set the input to Kirnu Cream Cream does not show up in the list of MIDI inputs. 
Enable Echo On the target track. Nothing leaves the audio track to the MIDI receiving track.
I suspect, from advice given, that Cream should not be in the VST instrument folder, it should be in a MIDI folder, like where the Cakewalk MIDI arpeggiator is. Could someone just yes or no me on this? If so, maybe a tip on how I can download Cream into the correct folder and the address of the folder.

All of this is going to be a problem if the first few steps are not performed correctly. Here is a small video showing a loop running in the Cream track,
enabling echo on the Cream track,
setting the input on the DPro track to Cream Omni or the appropriate Cream Channel.
and once echo is set on the DPro track, the meter starts to indicate audio signal in the DPro track.

Cream seems to be installed properly, it is a synth as far as SONAR is concerned.
2015/08/22 19:46:37
scook
Bob In Portland
I have tried to uninstall Cream from the VST instruments folder. I can't seem to remove it. I have tried repeatedly to just reinstall Kirnu to the shared MIDI fx folder. the installation defaults to that location but it never shows up there. 
Can someone throw me a rope?
 


It is a synth it there. It is not an MFX.
2015/08/22 21:03:44
Bob In Portland
scook, I don't know if you remember the Grand Funk Railroad, but I'm getting closer to my home.
Not quite there. I'm going to read my Sonar X2 power book by Garrigus and read and reread the section on instrument tracks, because I'm still not getting any sound out of the Cream to an accompanying track. I have no idea where I'm screwing up. I will let you know, here, whether or not I eventually have any success.
2015/08/22 21:31:34
Fleer
Mmmm, GFR with Some Kind of Wonderful. Sweet memories.
2015/08/22 21:58:12
scook
Bob In Portland
scook, I don't know if you remember the Grand Funk Railroad, but I'm getting closer to my home.
Not quite there. I'm going to read my Sonar X2 power book by Garrigus and read and reread the section on instrument tracks, because I'm still not getting any sound out of the Cream to an accompanying track.

There is no real magic to the instrument track. You might get away with just a MIDI track because the plug-in does not generate any audio. I just prefer to provide synths a complete routing and for this application an instrument track works fine.
 
This is a also a case where X2 documentation is subtly different than X3 an newer.
 
I sent you a PM which might help.
2015/08/22 22:13:07
Bob In Portland
scook, I don't know how I did it but appears to working. Thanks for your help. Hopefully I'll figure out the process with repetition.
Fleer, I saw GFR opening at the Fillmore East a long time ago. The second act was Fat Mattress, but off the top of my head I can't remember who the top act was.
2015/08/22 22:31:21
scook
2015/08/22 22:42:35
Fleer
Bob In Portland
Fleer, I saw GFR opening at the Fillmore East a long time ago.

Man, that's Some Kinda Wonderful indeed. Would have loved to hear those guys live, maybe followed by Climax Blues Band with Couldn't Get it Right. Makes you even forget Jethro Tull.
Still, what a line up. Cheers, scook!
Edit: as for Ian Anderson, just bought his Live in Iceland cd with Thick As A Brick I & II. Checking it out this weekend :)
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