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Anderton
As Maya Angelou said..."If you don't like something, change it. If you can't change it, change your attitude." 
 

 
I'm sure I could find a bunch of Maya Angelou quotes where she talks about being blunt, listening to our youth, and accepting constructive criticism. But why bother?

It's not necessary to interpret everything I say through the most negative filter possible. It's not about "defending Cakewalk," I think it's a pretty relevant quote to help people avoid being frustrated. IMHO it's right up there with Andy Warhol's “Sometimes people let the same problem make them miserable for years when they could just say, 'So what.'" 

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Anderton

The purpose of this forum is to help people get the most out of SONAR. I don't consider telling people about the options for accomplishing what they want a sh*tshow.
 

It's not all about you, sir.

Where did that come from? Multiple people have described available options. The only reason for saying "I" is because it's my opinion that the community telling people about the options for accomplishing what they want to accomplish is not a sh*tshow. By definition, my opinion is all about me, although you're welcome to adopt the same opinion if you like 

And finally...the OP raised a valid question, which produced valid answers about where to find quality free samplers to use with SONAR. I suspect for most people that's all they need, and are therefore grateful for this thread.

Anderton
Where did that come from? Multiple people have described available options. The only reason for saying "I" is because it's my opinion that the community telling people about the options for accomplishing what they want to accomplish is not a sh*tshow. By definition, my opinion is all about me, although you're welcome to adopt the same opinion if you like 

 
I've said it before, and it isn't an original concept, but an opinion cannot be objectively argued. Your opinion carries a great deal of weight here and you know that.
 

Anderton

And finally...the OP raised a valid question, which produced valid answers about where to find quality free samplers to use with SONAR. I suspect for most people that's all they need, and are therefore grateful for this thread.

 
That's not how I read the OP.
 
3rd party solutions are nice, and I appreciate those contributions, but those are beside the point of "Sonar really needs a sampler."

"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued

BobF
"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued

Does that mean that people shouldn't offer their opinions? Of course not. Most of these forums posts are someone's opinion.

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BobF
"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued

Does that mean that people shouldn't offer their opinions? Of course not. Most of these forums posts are someone's opinion.

Isn't that what people are doing?  Of course people should share their opinions.

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

This is an interesting debate. I'm glad to have read the thread because I found a great new, free sampler to experiment with (TX16W). Because I know little about sampling and beat slicing I approach the subject in a different way. I didn't want a sampler per se, I wanted sample libraries to reinforce my own creations. I found the libraries and they dictated what sampler I would be using. I bought Komplete because it was, well, complete. 
 
Having a sampler without libraries to install was kind of useless for me. Good quality sample creation is a daunting task and not as simple as I thought it would be. So having a dedicated sampler created by Cakewalk would only be a partial solution for me. I would much rather have the bakers get timeline editing and clip management working smoothly. I'd also think they would have to get that gapless audio engine sorted before Sonar could be a really great sample performance tool.

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BobF
"Need" in this case is an opinion and therefore can't be objectively argued

Does that mean that people shouldn't offer their opinions? Of course not. Most of these forums posts are someone's opinion.

True, you can't argue objectively about solely an opinion. However, what you can do is argue objectively about the facts/analysis people use to arrive at those opinions. In the light of more accurate analysis or additional facts, opinions can and often do change.
 
For example, suppose it was a fact that the only way to get a sampler for SONAR was to spend hundreds of dollars, a fact that other programs include samplers, and a fact that samplers are an essential part of modern music making. Based on those facts, forming an opinion that SONAR should have a sampler makes complete sense from a value standpoint - if you need a sampler, you would have to spend more money with SONAR that you don't have to spend with other programs. It would be very easy to justify that opinion based on an analysis of the facts.
 
However, only two of those three facts are correct. Given that you can get free samplers which based on reports from the community work very well within SONAR, the opinion that SONAR needs a sampler from a value standpoint no longer holds up. However, it is also a fact that the solution for many people may require using a third-party plug-in. If the opinion is then that SONAR should have a sampler because the person holding that opinion does not want to use third-party plug-ins, then that is an opinion based on a fact so it cannot be disputed: SONAR requires a third-party plug-in (fact), and the person doesn't want to use a third-party plug-in (also a fact). People may disagree with that opinion because they don't care if it's a third party plug-in or not; that can't be disputed either because it is also based on fact.
 
I try to present accurate data in the hopes that people will be able to form more accurate opinions. For example the market research I presented several months ago on music notation in software programs gave some pretty compelling reasons why anyone who claims there is a tremendous, universal clamor for programs to have notation is simply not supported by the facts. They can certainly base their opinion on "even if it wouldn't be a profitable venture for Cakewalk and imperil development of the program at large, it's so important for what I do that there should be better notation." That's a fact-based opinion that is indisputable...as is mine that notation is very important for the educational market. However my opinion has to be tempered, at least for now, by the facts regarding the market for music notation in DAWs.
 
As to criticisms of SONAR, speaking for myself I have no problem with people who criticize SONAR. I have posted threads about bugs I've found in SONAR and corroborated threads from others who have found bugs. I have agreed with feature requests and posted several of my own. This is how the program gets better. The difference is that I don't call SONAR's developers "idiots" and "dumb-dumbs," or diss them for a "stupid" interface, or accuse them of making "bad" design decisions when the real problem is the user not reading the documentation. There is discourse, and there is civil discourse; I prefer the latter in all contexts, not just regarding this forum. Of course, we're all human but minimizing uncivil interchanges is a worthy goal...in my opinion