2015/03/16 06:03:57
Zonno
A variation
 
||:  Am7   |    Dm7     |     G7      |     Cmaj7    :||
          VI              II                 V                 I
 
   C blues       A blues        Bb blues    B blues
 
Coincidence, I just learned this a couple of weeks ago
2015/03/17 15:56:04
Ham N Egz
What are some ways to play outside of chord changes?
 
 
I know this isn't the most practical answer, but try to just follow your ear. Listen to people who play "outside", so you can get an idea in your ear of what you want the effect to be, and then just kind of jump off the deep end and go for it - the whole point is that you aren't matching up to the harmonies underneath you, so don't stress too hard about what notes you're playing!
Personally, I think you get the most effective sound by playing things that are tonal in isolation, or at least sound sort of tonal, but that clash with the underlying harmony. You could do something simple, like descending major triads, going up by whole steps:
A F# D B G# E C# A# F# Eb C Ab F D Bb ....
Then you can elaborate on that, say by playing a #4 up to the 5th of each triad:
(G# A F# D) (A# B G# E) (B# C# A# F#) (D Eb C Ab)
Then to really make it sound hip, it's cool to get your repetitive pattern in a rhythm so that it doesn't line up neatly with the beats. So you if play that sequence of notes in triplets, you get an effect like this (the top line is the meter, vertical lines are beats and dots are the subdivision).
|  .  .  |  .  .  |  .  .  |  .  .

G# A F# D A# B G# E B# C# A# F#
See how the melodic grouping (#4 5 3 1) phases in and out with the rhythmic grouping (beats of three triplet notes)? Those kind of patterns are easy to construct and easy to practice, but they sound cool, and they give you a little more to hold onto than just random notes and rhythms.
 
 
One trick I've done is to play inside-outside-inside when doing a solo. Start in the changes and end in the changes, but have a little room in the middle to go crazy, particularly around dominant chords as someone has stated.
 
 
 
Here's some really common tricks:
  1. Side slipping: this is basically taking whatever scale you're playing and moving it up or down a semitone, then resolving back to an inside note. So for example playing in Db major over a C major chord.
  2. Implying different qualities of Dominant chords: For dominant chords you basically have 5 options for scales: Mixolydian, Diminished, Whole tone, Altered, and Lydian dominant. So if you're playing over a dominant chord you can use any or all of these scales, and because the nature of dominant chords is to provide dissonance that resolves to consonance, it'll sound great.
  3. Pentatonics: Pentatonic scales are very strong and good for implying alternate harmonies in your solos. You can go various degrees of outside the changes with these; say you're playing over Cmaj7. If you start playing using the D pentatonic scale it won't sound very out, A pentatonic will sound more out, and like Db or F# pentatonic will sound super out.
The most important thing when playing out is resolution. One note can make the difference between "He's playing random **** and it sounds bad" and "He's a jazz genius"
 
 
  1. Learn the notes that are inside.
  2. Don't play those notes 
2015/03/17 17:50:46
bayoubill
When to play what MM100 has written will be one of the subjects of my inputs. This material has to be adsorbed over time(by playing it) so reading it and knowing of it really won't get results on a gig. If any thing written so far is throwing you let me know. The whole purpose of this Fred is for guitarist that feel the Jazz Theory is over their head. I will put in terms that you can put into practice and performance
2015/03/28 21:11:17
Zonno
I'm bumping this interesting thread.
2015/03/28 21:21:34
dubdisciple
bayoubill
I recorded a bass line with with Dimension Pro using an upright bass long release if anyone wants the file. It's the ii7 to V7 To I cadence. You can use any swing drum rhythm with it. I made a file with AD2 jazz sticks. The good thing about making a midi file is it's so east to transpose to another key or change the tempo. Very easy to make these kinds of files to practice with in Sonar


would love to have the file.  Thanks in advance
2015/03/29 19:57:33
bayoubill
I'm in New Jersey at the moment reading " Captain Cook and the South Pacific ".When I get back I'll send it to you
2015/03/29 20:04:38
bayoubill
Using a phone in the forum is weird. Many buttons wrongly pushed
2015/03/29 20:06:35
bayoubill
You'll like the file. Great for practicing phrases and changing keys
2015/03/30 08:04:32
57Gregy
bayoubill
I'm in New Jersey at the moment reading " Captain Cook and the South Pacific ".When I get back I'll send it to you



Aren't books available in Louisiana?
2015/03/30 09:28:41
dubdisciple
bayoubill
You'll like the file. Great for practicing phrases and changing keys

Thanks!
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