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2016/08/10 05:00:10
ston
I'm not sure if W10 Pro gives you the control and flexibility over e.g. Windows updates that you think it does.
 
Even on Enterprise, the options are pathetic and horribly skewed against the user.  Like I said, my dev machine has an Enterprise edition of W10 and the only option I really have is to defer the updates.  M$ screwed my machine's network settings, see my post above.  You can't chose whether or not you wish to receive updates; only 'how they are installed', i.e. does the OS reboot your system after installing them, or ask to you reboot.  As for the defer option, all that does is delay the updates for a while then you get a flood of them.
 
If I'm missing something, then please let me know, but from where I'm sitting you have no choice over installing updates, whether on Pro or Enterprise.  I think the goalposts are going to continue moving, and tbph, it fecking sucks.
 
[edit] W7 (Pro) still does give you a degree of control.  I've a ton of pending updates on my main DAW machine (which will remain as a W7 box for all time methinks), but I'm not installing any of them until such time that I've checked each and every one of them out on t'interweb, because M$ are slipping bullsh*t nagware in under the auspices of being 'essential security/windows updates'. 
2016/08/10 09:58:46
Jim Roseberry
ston
If I'm missing something, then please let me know, but from where I'm sitting you have no choice over installing updates, whether on Pro or Enterprise.  I think the goalposts are going to continue moving, and tbph, it fecking sucks.



FWIW, I don't deal with a machine or two... I do this for a living every day.
With the registry tweak in place (with Win10 Pro), you are *prompted* that updates are available.
You have to manually start the download/install process.
2016/08/10 10:44:19
jamesg1213
I have W10 Home. If I go to control panel - system - admin tools - services, I can turn off updates. since November when I got this machine I've only had updates happen when I've shut down the machine, never while it's in use.
2016/08/10 13:14:37
Jim Roseberry
jamesg1213
I have W10 Home. If I go to control panel - system - admin tools - services, I can turn off updates. since November when I got this machine I've only had updates happen when I've shut down the machine, never while it's in use.



If you have Win10 Home and you're connected 24/7, Windows updates are automatically downloaded.  
You can have the OS prompt you to restart/install them... but they are being automatically downloaded.
2016/08/11 06:30:33
mettelus
bitflipper
Unplug your network cable. Works with all versions.




^^^^ Plan accordingly and Home would be fine. Any time you are in DAW-mode and haven't taken the extra steps to remove all the "auto" features (from basically all programs these days), simply unplug it. Windows is just one of many applications which takes advantage of an open connection as it "sees fit."
2016/08/13 20:11:44
abacab
For Windows 10 Home I would recommend using the "metered wi-fi" hack. If you enable this option, updates will not be downloaded over a wi-fi connection.  You will be notified of the updates available, which you have to click on to download.  Unfortunately this will not work with an Ethernet connection.
 
There is also the Microsoft utility "wushowhide" that is effective at hiding updates and drivers, particularly targeted at those you have uninstalled or rolled back and do not wish to reinstall:
 
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3073930
 
I have tested this and it is effective.  Here is a how-to explaining the use of wushowhide:
 
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3105827/microsoft-windows/how-to-temporarily-block-the-upgrade-win10-anniversary-update-version-1607.html
 
I do have the Pro edition and it currently allows users some additional local group policy methods to control updates, but I have heard rumors that Microsoft will be dialing these back in the future updates to Win 10.  So unless you are eligible for an Enterprise license, it may not be worth the cost to upgrade from Home in the long run.
 
The metered wi-fi option and wushowhide get the job done.  Unplugging the net works too :-)
2016/08/28 17:29:28
Vastman
spoke too soon...
 
2016/08/28 20:40:48
abacab
Vastman
all the other comments are worthless.



Are you saying that Jim Roseberry doesn't know what he's talking about???
 
Jim Roseberry
 FWIW, That hasn't been the case since Win7.
Win8 and Win10 x64 Home can both use 128GB RAM.

 
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_10
 
Windows 10 Enterprise
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 2TB
 
Windows 10 Education
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 2TB
 
Windows 10 Pro
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 2TB
 
Windows 10 Home
Limit on X86 4 GB
Limit on X64 128GB
 
Plus, the 6th generation Intel Core i7 seems to be limited to 64GB of memory.
http://www.intel.com/cont...core-i7-processor.html
2016/08/28 23:04:11
mettelus
Can scroll down the above page to see the limits for Win7. One (important) caveat is that the MB architecture/BIOS may not support all of the RAM (or all overclock speeds for said RAM). What was highly nerfed was the Win7 Home Basic (8GB) and Home Premium (16GB) versions for x64. Definitely verify the MB first before assuming an OS allows more RAM.
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