2015/05/21 07:06:32
pwalpwal
where to get one?
2015/05/21 09:34:32
bapu
over there
 
HTH
2015/05/21 09:44:50
Beagle
leave your becan at the door.  don't worry, I'll take care of it.
2015/05/21 10:13:22
Mesh
Well, I had both ofem this AM @ starbucks.....bouble becan/egg samich with a grande Pike.
 
Ewe can please some of the people some of the time, butt becan can please all the people, all the time!!
 
HTH 
 
2015/05/21 10:49:42
sharke
I've given up trying to find good coffee in New York. I don't drink it at home, just the occasional cup when I'm out and about. Starbucks is OK but very bland. There are hundreds of these hip little coffee shops dotted around and they're all very delightful looking - the rustic interior, the huge chalkboard with arty looking menu, the delightful looking pastries, the cute little hipster chick behind the counter, the cool music. But then you taste the coffee and it's no different than the crappy stuff you get for a dollar in the bodegas. It's like they have no idea how to brew it. Which seems like the first thing you'd get right if you were opening a coffee shop. 
2015/05/21 11:14:31
craigb
sharke
I've given up trying to find good coffee in New York. I don't drink it at home, just the occasional cup when I'm out and about. Starbucks is OK but very bland. There are hundreds of these hip little coffee shops dotted around and they're all very delightful looking - the rustic interior, the huge chalkboard with arty looking menu, the delightful looking pastries, the cute little hipster chick behind the counter, the cool music. But then you taste the coffee and it's no different than the crappy stuff you get for a dollar in the bodegas. It's like they have no idea how to brew it. Which seems like the first thing you'd get right if you were opening a coffee shop. 




We've got a bajillion of those places around here!  Most have learned to make a decent cup of coffee, but I'm happy just making my own at home using just Yuban or Folgers.  Occasionally, like today, I'll make something different like Vanilla Biscotti (also from Folgers).  My roommate had a grinder and a French press to brew his own blend of two exotic beans.  Which, in the end, tastes pretty much the same as what I have (and his girlfriend prefers my Yuban - lol).
2015/05/21 12:37:36
Beepster
sharke
I've given up trying to find good coffee in New York. I don't drink it at home, just the occasional cup when I'm out and about. Starbucks is OK but very bland. There are hundreds of these hip little coffee shops dotted around and they're all very delightful looking - the rustic interior, the huge chalkboard with arty looking menu, the delightful looking pastries, the cute little hipster chick behind the counter, the cool music. But then you taste the coffee and it's no different than the crappy stuff you get for a dollar in the bodegas. It's like they have no idea how to brew it. Which seems like the first thing you'd get right if you were opening a coffee shop. 




I gotta wonder though if this is a case of environmental palate interfering with your impression. When I was in England I could not for the life of me find a drinkable coffee from London to Edinburgh (okay... I may have been able to find one in London if I looked harder but it was really only our entry and exit point so I didn't get to spend as much time exploring as I would have liked). The tea of course was spectacular but the coffee was like dishwater with a bit of coffee bean flavoring. None of the natives seemed to realize how utterly horrible it was.
 
In NYC (Manhattan specifically) most of the java rated between passable (from the deli's or other non coffee related places) to pretty darned good (the actual coffee houses).
 
I however have the Canadian coffee palate which leans towards light to medium roast (not as bitter, fuller body). This gets cultivated by "Timmie's" (Tim Horton's) coffee which anyone with taste usually rejects for better but similarly smooth brew's as they mature. I got spoiled by a little joint in my old hood that specialized in importing high quality beans and were a bean distributor for many of the high end restaurants in the area (which included little Italy). They had a little brew slinging counter where they did all the fancy traditional stuff like espresso, caps, latte's, etc but their straight up joe for the dumb Canucker's was pretty much like Timmie's except with good beans and properly brewed (which makes a HUGE difference of course). Those were listed as "Americano" IIRC and were the drip brew stuff they kept in the thermos dispensers (so as not to burn the coffee with an element which of course ruins it very quickly). Everything else went through the espresso/cappu machine... and cost way more.
 
Tons of other excellent coffee joints around the city too but that really was the best spot. Unfortunately it was a tiny little corner stand with very little seating and is was always CRAMMED. Fortunately they had a walk up window if the weather wasn't too psycho.
 
I also worked at one of the big "premium" coffee chains up here shortly. Kind of like Starbucks except their coffee wasn't bitter and burnt to the point of being undrinkable (SB beans are very high on the roasting scale and they likely do that because it masks the inferior flavor of inferior beans). These guys didn't do that but kind of went in the opposite direction where much of their blends weren't really roasted enough making them lack that bit of bite that let's you know you are indeed drinking coffee. Their darker roasts, aside from some of the occasional African blends, were really just crummy and likely then just masking the flavor of inferior beans they happened to snag on the market for cheap (they were always changing up their blends I think based on the price of beans from various places and acting as if it was being done offer an ever changing "variety" when they were just being cheap). I used to really like some of that chain's coffee until I worked there for a while and then just the smell of the place started nauseating me. I also started getting that "dishwatery" type taste from them which is disgusting. Not sure exactly what causes that but I think it's a combo of using unpurified tapwater mixed with the whatever chemicals they use on the beans to do whatever the frack it is they do to them in those mass scale operations. Funniest thing about that place was I had to study a HUGE manifesto about various beans, brewing styles and other crap so I could somewhat have an "opinion" for the snotty mall rats and suit and tie douches who used to come into the joint. All for minimum wage... and I got fired after the owners realized I was not actually the ethnicity they thought I was (I'm just kind of swarthy due to the frenchiness + aborigine thing... lol).
 
Anyhoo... my point is taste in coffee seems to be very subjective and I think it has a lot to do with where exactly you first started drinking/appreciating coffee. The stuff, for all intents and purposes, is completely vile but it's addictive and pervasive within society so once you get over the taste you grow to appreciate that taste. Dishwatery, bitter to the point of gagging, burnt to a crisp, whatever gets you your fix and gives you that pavlovian response to the ensuing caffeine kick to the dopamine centers is what'll likely taste "good".
 
As much as I love and have loved coffeee the sh*t was quite literally killing me. Massive heart palpitations, anxiety attacks, insatiable dehydration, IBS and other gastrointestinal distress... it was all bad so I had to essentially quit altogether. Now I drink orange pekoe tea for my caffeine fix and inner warmth which is far less brutal. It's weird but I guess the reason coffee causes so many more issues than tea is the harsh acidity.
 
I still crave the sh*t though and on the rare occasions I'm out and about and someone is slinging Joe I'll usually snag a cup... and one cup only. It's like freaking heaven... until about halfway through. Then I remember why I had to quit drinking the stuff in the first place... but I drink the rest anyway and suffer the rest of the day... happily. lol
 
 
2015/05/21 13:38:06
pwalpwal
i also cut down, never after midday these daze
2015/05/21 14:18:34
Beepster
It's a killer... especially for hyper spazzes like myself who are already vibrating at high frequencies. Used to drink gallons of the shiz. Bad idea.
2015/05/21 15:17:47
sharke
Yeah coffee in Britain is usually pretty awful as well, at least the stuff that you buy outside. I think that pretty much the only great coffee I've ever had has been home brewed at friend's houses. I never had a coffee maker myself because like you say, too much of the stuff is REALLY bad and I have the kind of addictive personality whereby if it were available on hand at home I would be hurling the stuff down my neck from dawn till dusk. 
 
I've actually been off coffee for a few years because I've reverted to drinking green tea again....especially matcha tea....but recently I've changed my daily schedule whereby I'm getting up a couple of hours earlier than I used to and I feel like I'm jet lagged or something, so a couple of well timed cups of Joe have been a godsend. 
 
The overall coffee palette in New York seems to err on the bitter side for my tastes. It's not the kind of stuff I would drink neat. In fact from observing other people in coffee shops here I have concluded that to New Yorkers, coffee is merely a vehicle for cream and sugar. I'm constantly shocked at how much sugar I see people putting in their coffee here. Six, seven packets of the stuff. It's insane! Personally I like a little almond or coconut milk (I don't drink dairy) and a tiny splash of honey. 
 
You definitely have to watch your intake of caffeine. I used to help a friend out every year on his stall at the Bryant Park Christmas market (selling fancy candles) and it got so insanely busy toward the 25th that you'd find yourself serving 7 or 8 people at once. My friend would go away and come back with cans of Red Bull and of course with all the craziness I'd be sloshing them down without a second thought. One year on the 24th I drank so much that I started having out of body experiences - I'd be looking down on myself watching the chaos and hearing my voice from afar. A few years earlier my friend had ended up in hospital with "heart episode" after overdosing on the stuff. 
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