She should give all her medals back.... She competed as a man and has recently said that she has always been a woman. You can't have it both ways, or can you?
 

jbow
She should give all her medals back.... She competed as a man and has recently said that she has always been a woman. You can't have it both ways, or can you?
 

 
I am not agreeing with his/her life change , but let me play devils advocate,,
 
should we make Wendy(now) Carlos erase/destroy Walters(then) recordings of Switched on Bach?

jbow
Just goes to show that there is nothing new under the sun. I don't recall a time in my life where truly irrelevant details of celebrity's lives were not big business. We just have more outlets for it now.
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Agreed.
 
There are many new things out there, and some of them are scary, and some are something else and what not. The issue here, is how receptive are we to something completely different, but we have become a media dominated society, and most of us won't give even a listen to something completely different because it is not "famous" and does not "sell" like all the other things that are prostituted out there.
This is more predominant in the arts, than otherwise, it seems, but even then, some of these are just another grandstanding situation trying to get more attention! But some are not trying to get attention and they just blow you out of the map!
 
I just find it sad that the whole thing is so blown up and over ... when we should just ignore it ... there certainly are a lot more important things going on, but we can not simply ignore the media and tell it to get lost!
 
I hope that's the next revolution, because it is getting too sick for me.

Susan G

dubdisciple

craigb
Bruce (as Susan mentioned) actually did something once to earn his fame, but what have the Kardashians ever done except be born the spoiled offspring of a lawyer who lost an easy trial?

I guess I'm just not a believer in the concept of anyone "deserving" or "earning" fame. To some people , a man running around a track is just as unworthy of fame as a woman who's rise to fame was based on a sex tape with another celebrity. She is famous because enough people take an active interest in her for them to read articles about her and watch her stupid show. i get a different variation of forwarded posts claiming soldiers should get paid millions instead of athletes and my reaction applies the same logic; when people are willing to pay exorbitant ticket prices and $200 for jerseys and other things no one actually "deserves" then they will get paid that kind of money and fame. There are countless unsung heroes that arguably should be a bigger object of focus than the people tabloids follow, but to really feel that one person's frivolous in the big picture's attention is more deserving than another borders on arrogance since it implies that "my determination of who should be important is superior to everyone else".  My daughter finds no value in professional sports. She thinks the idea of men being paid to play games is silly.  I don't agree but  i can understand the sentiment.

Hi dubdisciple-


I don't think winning the Gold Medal in the Olympics in the Decathlon equates to "a man running around a track" or a woman making a sex tape with a celebrity. It's undeniably an accomplishment that took years of hard work and training to achieve.
 
If you really believe that no one is capable of "deserving" or "earning" fame, then I'd have to disagree, but I certainly do agree that many who are deserving of it don't have it and many who aren't do.
 
-Susan
 
 

Maybe I should rephrase. The concept of deserving or earning fame is extremely subjective. Of course sleeping with a celebrity and winning a gold medal are not the same thing. There is no metric that establishes a work done to fame ratio. How hard a person worked for something does not translate in any measurable way to whether fame will be achieved or last. The guy in the decathlon who came in last place probably worked just as hard. To some whether it's the Olympics or a hobbyist going to local high school, it is as simple as a guy running around  track. The world champion at tiddly winks probably worked very hard to reach pinnacle of success but is not famous. People are famous because people choose to be interested in them.  

I've never intentionally spent a nanosecond of my life watching reality TV. For that matter, I havn't watched a nanosecond of prime time entertainment TV (sitcoms and dramas) for several decades. It all seems dumbed down and derivative, with some of it actually being made by cretins, for cretins.
 
Having said all that, I subscribe to about everything that Direct TV offers. Last night I saw The Thin Red Line on DVR- mesmerizing and absolutely splendid, as good a meditation on war as you'll ever see. And the Stanley Cup play-offs are, as usual, extremely action-packed and competitive, with real fights that are much better than WWE. The NHL is my idea of reality TV.
 
I can remember watching Bruce Jenner live in 1976 take a victory lap, waving US flags, after winning the Olympic decathlon. That was a massive personal achievement made even larger by the sense I got at the time that he had done most of the training on his own and there wasn't anybody pushing him.
 
So Olympic champion Bruce Jenner is having a sex change and he is somehow related to the Kardashians? This takes me by surprise.
 
But its Sunday afternoon and I am going to spend a few hours playing some music with the Ottawa/Montreal game on DVR.
My all time favorite Sunday afternoon music:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rARGPAkIcw4
 
Cheers,
Bert

Bert Guy
I havn't watched a nanosecond of prime time entertainment TV (sitcoms and dramas) for several decades

Bert, you've missed some very good stuff.

I'm happy to report that I have absolutely no idea who those people are. I've heard the names mentioned in background noise etc, but that is the sole extent of my exposure to them. All that stuff only gets to you if you allow it to IMO.

Bert Guy
So Olympic champion Bruce Jenner is having a sex change and he is somehow related to the Kardashians? This takes me by surprise.

 
The mother of the Kardashian wastes of flesh divorced their lawyer father and remarried Bruce Jenner some time back.  That's the connection.
 
Who cares.  No one should.  *Yawn*
 
 
 

paulo
I'm happy to report that I have absolutely no idea who those people are. I've heard the names mentioned in background noise etc, but that is the sole extent of my exposure to them. All that stuff only gets to you if you allow it to IMO.

That's the key.  Not letting it get to you.  There are countless things I do not understand the value of ...and that's ok.  I'm sure there are tons of things I love ( I watch bad japanese monster movies like  Mothra every time i see them  on tv) that some people see as an utter waste of time. The Kardashians are not the first people famous for being famous and won't be the last.  I stopped getting upset about the stupidity of reality tv.

I have some to the point of going to Facebook maybe once a month. I will likely delete my account soon. Reality TV, social media, it all makes me crazy. This is a nice place, it is enough for me.
I've come to the point where reality TV and social media just make me mad... I don't need more things in my life that make me mad or make me feel even more disconnected from society at large... it is sad. I think maybe we have always been nuts but it just hasn't always been shoved in everyone's face like today.