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2013/03/31 20:09:00
UltimateMusicSnob
Great work, I can hear the singer just fine, and there's plenty of bass on my monitors, anyway.

Perhaps a REALLY experienced engineer might have some clever tricks for "perceived bass" as opposed to meter bass--one of the ways they get songs to sound good on lesser speakers--but that level of expertise is beyond me.
2013/03/31 20:14:58
spindlebox
^^^ Thank you so much!!  I think we're there!!  I'll await a few more.  I can't tell you how much I appreciate your time and testing my mix out on your monitors.  
2013/03/31 21:03:56
ohgrant
 Mix sounds great here. Really cool tune, great vocals
2013/04/01 13:27:34
spindlebox
Thank you ohgrant!! :)
2013/04/01 13:45:55
AT
Yea, great song and nicely mixed.  A few niggles as above - and yea, home girl Natlie Merchant is a peg.  I didn't hear the earlier versions, but early in the song the vocals might come up a hair since it floats just under the guitar.  Lows in the drums might come up some to make them a tad punchier sounding and it does sound kinda light, but works w/ her voice.  More pop than rock.  But again, that is all niggles and doesn't stop a great mix and song.  Really enjoyed it.

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2013/04/01 15:05:00
spindlebox
Thanks AT!  I already fixed the low end situation so I think especially now I'm going to wait for my mastering engineer to weigh in.  I just heard from him (he's in Israel), so I'll let everyone hear the finished product when he's done.  I hate to add too much low end, especially since it's a pop/rock song.
2013/04/01 21:48:23
Tap
Had a bit of problem trying to get to the top link, but I got to it.

The low end sounds perfect here so I'm guessing I'm at the correct version. Fairly clean and balanced.  Had to turn it up a bit to check out the guitar , I wasn't sure if it was overly distorted intentionally or if it was clipping.  Sounds like it was recorded correctly. listening again.... I think it's the combination of electric piano and distorted guitar at times are adding together to cause what I was hearing. I love those electiric piano tones they add a nice spice to the mix perhaps making them a little more subtle would be more effective. I hope these anomalies are just coming from my setup. Anyone else notice this. It's not overly obvious but caught me off guard at the volume level I was listening. 

Nice Vocals, great guitar playing love the drums and overall mix is very nice not to mention the well placed bass.
2013/04/04 02:38:30
spindlebox
Thank you Tap!  Well, I had it mastered and this is the most recent version now that I've uploaded to our Soundcloud.  

https://soundcloud.com/al...lice-sweet-alice-m-i-a

I learned a VERY IMPORTANT LESSON today.  MP3's really DO suck.  As an experiment, have a listen to this mastered WAV, and then another listen to the MP3 to see what I mean.  We had this song played on our local alternative commercial FM station last night, and I was shocked to hear it in my car.  I had sent them a 192kbps MP3, and that's what you all have been listening to.  I'm amazed at how horrible it sounded.

So learn from my mistake!  I called the program director, to find out if he had addded any processing, because like TAP I heard distortion with the guitars, pumping artifacts and it sounded like clipping.  He was like: "well we use Adobe Audition and then WideOrbit to add the songs to our system": and they are slightly compressed there.

I sent over the WAV to ask him to listen and see if there was a difference, and he was like: WOW - just send me WAV's from now on!!!  (My mastering engineer also recommended I send a minimum of 320kbps).

So anyway, do yourself a favor and conduct my little experiment!  Don't have a  heart attack like me! LOL! 
2013/04/05 22:32:42
UltimateMusicSnob
Congratulations on the radio play!

Radio stations do add their own compression--one reason is to stay in FCC compliance for signal strength, but I suspect some also do it to insure that their commercials jump in loudness up from the actual music program.

Couldn't agree more on MP3's. The storage compressionMP3 uses (completely different from audio compression) throws away frequency bands it decides you wouldn't hear anyway (it's wrong, imo), so additional audio compression after the MP3 is decoded at playback time changes the material, in unintended ways. 

Would they accept 96 kHz 24-bit WAV's? If they do , that's what I'd send, give them the best they're willing to accept.
2013/04/10 03:57:29
chuckebaby
I never make an mastering mp3 anything smaller than 320, theres no need to unless it going on an ipod.
watch out for program directors too, ive had them give my mixes to interns practicing with sound forge or audition.
you call them back and ask them what was that ? and they try feeding you some lame excuse's on frequency modulation theory.
 
always send a wave, always upload a wav unless you can only upload an mp3.
 
sounds good.
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