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2015/06/30 10:58:44
rtucker55
musichoo
I had tried the demo. But SO3 just won't react to my sustain pedal. I don't have this problem in Splat and reason 8. I contacted Presonus but the answer is they can't help a demo customer. That is a fair answer and I do accept that. But that is also the end of SO3 for me.
I also have notion5 from the same company and it does not react to pedal. When contacted presonus's reply is notion5 does not support pedal.
I am just completely dumpfounded. I can't help but getting the impression that pianisst has been neglected by Presonus. Forgive me if I appear like I am ranting.



There is a midi filter in SO3 and it CC64 is checked it will ignore any sustain pedal events. They also have a Forums, like this one, where users try to provide some support. That would be the place to go for help with the demo.
 
Kind regards,
Rick
2015/06/30 11:30:18
musichoo
rtucker55
musichoo
I had tried the demo. But SO3 just won't react to my sustain pedal. I don't have this problem in Splat and reason 8. I contacted Presonus but the answer is they can't help a demo customer. That is a fair answer and I do accept that. But that is also the end of SO3 for me.
I also have notion5 from the same company and it does not react to pedal. When contacted presonus's reply is notion5 does not support pedal.
I am just completely dumpfounded. I can't help but getting the impression that pianisst has been neglected by Presonus. Forgive me if I appear like I am ranting.



There is a midi filter in SO3 and it CC64 is checked it will ignore any sustain pedal events. They also have a Forums, like this one, where users try to provide some support. That would be the place to go for help with the demo.
 
 
 
Kind regards,
Rick




Thanks Ricks. Much Appreciated
2015/06/30 11:49:55
Fog
most recent daw I bought when it was on offer a while back.. and the bonus is UK distro company gets a cut of the money also. it was ex steinberg staff who started it , and it's more akin to cubase. (and yer I own that also)
 
to compare daw to daw is silly, none of them are the same DEEP down.. some lack in area's some are far better. if there was one that did everything THAT would get my money. even the "under the hood" stuff becomes noticable in time.. it should be like a swan.. e.g. you only see it gliding on the top of the water *NOT* all the hard work that is going on underneath.. things like the new TAL sampler are interesting to me on that front.
 
 
 
 
 
2015/06/30 12:31:30
papacucku
For me the stability thing is not relevant since about X2.  I used to have freezes when using melodyne.  I am happy with stability of sonar.  since X2 sonar seems to detect everything plugging in and out and ask if I want to add it. the audio drops out when I am doing too much but that is when I have made the driver settings in preferences too fast so I can "input monitor" with no delay for vocal recording.  so when mixing and playback on my computer I need to set the  slider over to at least 11-15 ms delay to stop audio from dropping.  When recording I use a simpler mix down (turn all the plugins off) and slide the slider bar to the left for better input monitoring, so I can hear the reverb or guitar effects on vocals or Guitar.    So I can't validate any stability concerns.  However maybe for one of these monthly updates, the bakers should just make it a patch/update month.  where all they do is deal with any outstanding tweaks that have fell through the cracks.  
 
I know one.  The Equalizer in the pro channel has a real time spectral analyzer view which shows the wave in the background of the eq display.  It is not exactly sound accurate as if you create a low pass filter and filter out way above where it shows the highest frequencies are, you can hear it taking out some of the very high.  If the screen is displaying the sound accurately then it should not have affected the sound yet. (according to the RT spectrum on the screen).  
 
There are probably dozens of little enhancements that can be made to existing features like this so maybe once a year they should not do new features but have an update rollup that just deals with making what is there more bullet proof.  That may be a bad example as it may make more sense for sonar to contract with fabfilter or someone to make an alternative plugin for the pro channel that already has tons of these features figured out.  (I would love fab filter to be intertwined with sonar like melodyne is.  )
 
Anyway I don't think Sonar is a "should have been". it is more relevant and constantly adapted than anything.  Now spectrasonics software and east west software?  Spectrosonics (Trillian , Omnisynth)has an update path that must circle the moon and east west just keeps bundling the same old stuff.  Thats my opinion.   I couldn't find a more dynamic in tune development community and shortest path first update strategy then with sonar.  
 
I LOVE presonus products for the most part.  Not the preamps too much.  But the scepter monitors and studio live AI stuff is a staple in my studio and live rigs.  Studio One?  I have it not even close. Sorry. This was obviously an ill informed comment. Keep an eye on studio one if you have an extra one. When I come across something I can't accomplish in Sonar with plugs ill wander about more.  
 
I have logic, studio one and have used pro tools.  Just my take on it. 
 
Had to edit my comment.  On updates and logic.  Really? where are the logic developers? You know to use the program full screen you have to change the resolution of the monitor?  yeah don't talk to me about logic. eww... (track templates sound good out of the box though..thats it).
2015/06/30 14:39:55
Starise
I bought SO and made a few songs in it. When I bought it I thought I would use it a lot more than I have. For the most part it sits in my computer unused. I usually never think about which DAW I want to fire up. It's Sonar Platinum...I think this says a lot about my way of working. If I don't miss SO at all it means I'm perfectly content to be using Sonar for what I do. If I were discontent I wouldn't be using Sonar...it does everything I need and then some.
I have heard others say that sonar is some kind of a dinosaur in terms of using "old code". I would not agree with that statement. Sonar has more code because it does more. Yes some of it hails back to earlier times but if the code wasn't effective it would have been replaced or re written and this has been the case over time. Old code isn't bad code. You could say the same thing about any other DAW out there...they all have their "roots" in earlier versions but this doesn't make them bad products.
2015/06/30 14:55:50
cclarry
Actually, as of X1, the vast majority was replaced I believe, and since then
there have been steady advances.  Not to say that the "old" plugins weren't still
included, and some old code, but X1 was a tremendous leap with a LOT of new code IMO...
2015/06/30 15:44:51
strikinglyhandsome1
Studio One is the easiest to use for a beginner I've ever used. You could do most things without ever having used a DAW before. Of course, everyone started wanting the bloat but I loved the first version for its simplicity. Easily the most intuitive.

The slightly more expensive version early on made going from idea to mastered very easy indeed.

All DAWs have their pluses and minuses. Whatever works for you. The fact is that anything done different or is missing in another DAW is always going to stand out. Some people will like it, some people won't. Hardly a shocker.
2015/06/30 16:35:43
cclarry
I like SO a lot.  I like what it does and how it does it.  And it offers A LOT.
2015/06/30 18:24:45
Leadfoot
I wish Harrrison Mixbus would come out with the update already. Just had to throw that in...
2015/06/30 18:27:27
cclarry
Me to...

Today was a good day...I got

Sonar Foxboro with more goodies..
Pro Tools 12.1

All in all that's a pretty good day...and I wasn't expecting PT 12.1 at all!
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