Beepster
 
There are certainly some very bizarre pockets of human dysfunction scattered around and the "laissez faire" attitude seems to allow these things to thrive beyond a reasonable point. It really does pit my inner libertarian against my social responsibility idealism.
 
Like I said... I love QC but it is simply too crazy for me to ever consider living there. It's a shame it seems to have run you off from Canada because obviously that is not representative of the entire country... and I've been coast to coast. I mean it's all crazy but it's not all THAT crazy. lol
 
Cheers.

You have to move out of Quebec for a while to see the depth of indoctrination we're submitted to, the ideas we take for granted and build our whole life around. Takes a while to deconstruct that, because, basically, you're thrown into this imaginary conflict against ROC (Rest of Canada) and Les Anglos at birth.
 
The whole raison d'être of Quebec is (imaginary) emancipation - which is a paradox given that Quebecers are deeply su****ious of emancipation and success on an individual level.
 
That and a quest for identity based solely on language.
 
If a Quebecer visits the US and is asked where he is from, he'll never say Canada, or at least not w/o giving you a 30 minute long history lesson about Quebec and French vs English and all that crap. It's actually quite insane to watch that happening, as I've witnessed it. Never ask a Quebecer where he's from.
 
Personally, I've never been big on nationalism, so even though I had lots of preconceived ideas, it wasn't long before I started feeling estranged. I see friends from Quebec posting on Facebook and I'm past the point of even trying to discuss. They're too deep in...
 
My heart found its home in this country, and I'm actually a lot more in line w/ values which are the exact opposite of all the liberal, socialist way of thinking. Before we got the green card, we'd decided that if we were forced to go back, we'd go to B.C. or anywhere but Quebec. 
 
Anyway, we've become exactly what they are thought to hate from the cradle on...

I went to St. Jean Baptiste celebrations in Quebec City eyear. It was an amazing party and it was wonderful seeing that beautiful and historic city come to life like that BUT it certainly got rather frightening at times being there with an English accent, not having the greatest French language skills and, the worst of all, non-QC license plates. Most folks were very friendly... some were getting ready to swarm.
 
The screwed up part is I am French. They would have been ripping apart one their own.
 
The next day in the paper we got to read about all the homes destroyed by fire from the festivities. Messed up shiz.

Rain, I feel much the same about this country now, it's not perfect but aside from its problems it does embody the free-wheeling principles of individual freedom and self-responsibility that have always bubbled away inside of me. I don't feel any allegiance at all to the UK, as much as I love it's natural beauty and certain aspects of the British character (like the humor).

When I first got here I lived on Nantucket for a year and was immediately impressed by how many people had built their own house, and took their own trash to the dump etc. Little things like that, lol....

Beepster
I went to St. Jean Baptiste celebrations in Quebec City eyear. It was an amazing party and it was wonderful seeing that beautiful and historic city come to life like that BUT it certainly got rather frightening at times being there with an English accent, not having the greatest French language skills and, the worst of all, non-QC license plates. Most folks were very friendly... some were getting ready to swarm.
 
The screwed up part is I am French. They would have been ripping apart one their own.
 
The next day in the paper we got to read about all the homes destroyed by fire from the festivities. Messed up shiz.

My best memories of St Jean Baptiste come form when I was 13 or 14, in our small town. Getting really drunk and staying up all night... Because, that didn't happen all that often. And we were in a small town.
 
It wore off quickly, though. As I got older, it actually became a nightmare. Last year I lived in Quebec I had an apartment on street level - I can't tell you all the yelling and people hitting against my windows all night. I couldn't sleep all night.
 
Then you get out to go to work at 7 in the morning. The streets look like a dump, public properties have been damaged, there are people sleeping in bushes or on the grass scattered through the city... Talk about a reason to be proud!
 
It was a revelation to see the 4th of July celebration in the US by comparison.
 
La St Jean is just a lame excuse to get drunk out of your skull and recite slogans that mean nothing, and acting like you're proud. Proud of what? Having lost your war?!!
 

The point of my discussion is based on absolute honesty because I believe this topic is very important. Please 'Take Care' 
 
Vaccinations do have the potential to cause death, more deaths than people care to know.  I know this because I have doctors reports and another report in regards to Luke's death.  I'm sure millions of people have such reports that proves beyond doubt (corporate corruption)!
 
My wife got the flu shot, about six weeks later (early this year) she got the flu; she got very ill, fever, chills and frequent coughs that lasted for about two weeks.  Whereas I did not get the vaccination and did not get the flu (I explained in previous posts about prevention)! There are alternative preventative measures, sadly many don't adhere to. The other concern is that, In Australia they want to make vaccinations mandatory, of course this has sparked a lot of controversy. Controversy is, a lot of doctors know that some people are at high risks of death!
 
If people refuse to believe that?
I feel sad for them, don't get sucked into false-comfort, the point is, 'Take Care' i.e. ask the doctor questions regarding medical history including preexisting conditions and relatives i.e. anyone you know who has died. Please take these precautions before taking the shot.  There is alternative preventative care.  Anyway, this is what I'm saying, nothing personal, just being thoughtful because I would hate to find out that someone here died due to multi-vaccination. It can happen.
 
It's unwise to promote false-comfort.
 
So let me remind everyone that Help tags similar to Star ratings can be abused.
 
http://insider.foxnews.co...ty-mcquestion-dies-flu
 

NOTE: The forum software has been glitching on this post, I've had to repost, reedit the link.
 
 
 

Sharke, now you see why it is pointless to attempt a rational discussion on this type of issue. People who are convinced of such things tend to take it highly personal that you don't believe the same propoganda they do. I have yet to find one piece of evidence linking autism to vaccines. You will always find a total quack doctor who will sign off on anything from penis growth pills to fake cancer cures to make money. Digging deeper always exposes that quack for what he is. There is ZERO replicable data showing a link. It is possible in the sense that anything is possible, but merely being possible is not proof. Anecdotes are never accompanied by evidence either and generally rely on the logical fallacy of appealing to authority( and that aiauthority is typically a total quack). The simple proven fact is that eyewitness testimony is the very worst form of evidence. Humams tend to relay what they believe rather than what is. I'm really glad things like polio and smallpox were mostly wiped out before the internet gave voice to such thngs.
 
 

sharke
Rain, I feel much the same about this country now, it's not perfect but aside from its problems it does embody the free-wheeling principles of individual freedom and self-responsibility that have always bubbled away inside of me. I don't feel any allegiance at all to the UK, as much as I love it's natural beauty and certain aspects of the British character (like the humor).

When I first got here I lived on Nantucket for a year and was immediately impressed by how many people had built their own house, and took their own trash to the dump etc. Little things like that, lol....

My wife actually ended up feeling bitter as she realized just how much she'd been held back. If you try and stand out in Quebec, you only get a slap on the wrist and a collective "Who does she think she is?"
 
As a singer and a performer, she was quickly labeled "too intense" for the masses, despite being recognized because of a couple of platinum musicals. She didn't fit with the herd mentality - she's way too strong and proud. Quebecers like cute, humble, victims types.
 
Metal fans loved her. And gays - because they have a taste for all things extravagant, they adored her as the next big diva. Actually, there's one guy that does an impersonation/lip synch number... That's kinda weird, you know. lol
 
When we were building the case for the green card, we realized that if you could do such a thing as translate her accomplishments to US equivalents, we'd probably be hanging around at Bon Jovi's place or having tea with the Osbournes.
 
But hatred for ambition and that obsession for french back home just limited her options so much. You can't just say "I"ll take my chance on Broadway" back home. Thinking big is the ultimate sin.
 
 

We'll probably lose the few friends we have left back there the day we get our picture taken at the shooting range or fly the flag on a pole in front of the house. :P

dubdisciple
Sharke, now you see why it is pointless to attempt a rational discussion on this type of issue. People who are convinced of such things tend to take it highly personal that you don't believe the same propoganda they do. I have yet to find one piece of evidence linking autism to vaccines. You will always find a total quack doctor who will sign off on anything from penis growth pills to fake cancer cures to make money. Digging deeper always exposes that quack for what he is. There is ZERO replicable data showing a link. It is possible in the sense that anything is possible, but merely being possible is not proof. Anecdotes are never accompanied by evidence either and generally rely on the logical fallacy of appealing to authority( and that aiauthority is typically a total quack). The simple proven fact is that eyewitness testimony is the very worst form of evidence. Humams tend to relay what they believe rather than what is. I'm really glad things like polio and smallpox were mostly wiped out before the internet gave voice to such thngs.
 

I love it when people cite their own personal experience - one single data point of anecdotal evidence - as proof that the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is false. To be honest I don't want to be too harsh on someone who has genuinely lost someone dear to them and has centered their whole viewpoint upon this, but at the same time people with an emotionally charged data point of experience are probably the least likely to approach the subject rationally. 

SongCraft
The point of my discussion is based on absolute honesty because I believe this topic is very important. Please 'Take Care' 
 
Vaccinations do have the potential to cause death, more deaths than people care to know.  I know this because I have doctors reports and another report in regards to Luke's death.  I'm sure millions of people have such reports that proves beyond doubt (corporate corruption)!
 
My wife got the flu shot, about six weeks later (early this year) she got the flu; she got very ill, fever, chills and frequent coughs that lasted for about two weeks.  Whereas I did not get the vaccination and did not get the flu (I explained it, page #2 about prevention)! There are alternative preventative measures, sadly many don't adhere to. 
 
It's unwise to promote false-comfort.
 
So let me remind everyone that Help tags similar to Star ratings can be abused.
 
http://insider.foxnews.co...ty-mcquestion-dies-flu
 

NOTE: The forum software has been glitching on this post, I've had to repost, reedit the link.

I'm sorry but the overwhelming evidence is that vaccines save way more lives than they take, and no amount of shopworn platitudes about "corporate corruption" are going to change that fact. What makes people unable to process this information logically is that deaths carry a heavier emotional weight, and thus significance, than saved lives. What's the big deal about a saved life, right? They're indistinguishable from anyone else who's alive, and you can't put a face on them. They're a statistic. But imagine those lives hadn't been saved, and children died for the lack of a vaccine. Would you dismiss them so lightly? I doubt it.