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2014/12/29 16:10:09
bapu
I have no theory training. I played guitar for about 3.5-4 years. Saw that I would NEVER be a Hendrix (my fav guitarist) so I switched to bass.
 
Can't say I play bass like a guitarist, nor do I play like a bass player. I simply try to be inventive within the framework of the piece I am playing on.
 
When I played covers I almost always never played exactly like the record, I would just emulate and play what I felt. Until the guitarists told me I needed to make a change here and there. 
 
2014/12/29 16:32:05
Rain
Playing bass certainly takes me into a different place/state of mind - even my physical posture is affected. It's all about groove. I feel like I can slip into that fairly easily. I don't know whether the results are that convincing, but I love playing bass, especially stuff that swings a bit, not necessarily complicated, even though I love melodic runs. 
 
I heard James Brown's Living in America the other day and realized just how much I loved that type of bass line - melodically, it's pretty simple but it's so solid. 
2014/12/29 16:34:15
Beepster
I've listened to a lot of your stuff since I've been here, baps (the shameless self promotion must be working... lol) and it all seems to be pretty spot on as far as general bass theory. You definitely play bass like a bass player because you have experience, learn a lot of covers and have a good ear for it. Music theory is one of those things that cannot be avoided even if you try. If it sounds "right" then it's almost guaranteed to fit into diatonic theory. If it sounds "weird" it may still fit into diatonic theory but might be some kind of symmetrical mayhem. If it sounds completely "wrong" it can still be analysed by and/or shoehorned into theory.
 
I was ever so disappointed when I learned, after thinking I had been being completely original all my life, that I'm just another mathematical curiosity... AND I could have been being more original if I hadn't been trying to be so original.
 
D'oh!
2014/12/29 16:44:25
bapu
Beepster
I was ever so disappointed when I learned, after thinking I had been being completely original all my life, that I'm just another mathematical curiosity... AND I could have been being more original if I hadn't been trying to be so original.

Right On Bro.
2014/12/29 17:34:57
dubdisciple
I have been procrastinating on learning to play my theremin for years. Just takes a certain mindset to go beyond random improv.
2014/12/29 17:59:26
craigb
bapu
I have no need for theory training. I only play in Am.




Fluff removed. 
2014/12/29 18:53:23
dubdisciple
True story...I had a gf once who's ass made different pitches depending on where you hit it.  With a little practice, i once played the nutcrarcker suite theme well enough to where she recognized the tune instantly.  I have no idea if that violates CoC, but it is musically related and almost prompted me to create a VSTi.
2014/12/29 19:20:42
Scoot
Thanks for you input guys, it's made even more open to the idea. Rather than being a guitarist learning bass, I'm more a flautist learning both Bass and Guitar. I guess I may find one dominating the over naturaly over time, and discover a real preference. To get my mind out of being stuck in modal melodies, and to give a different structure and progression to things, I wanted to try the guitar, to give a chordal framework. As such I've tended to practice playing chords than riffs or melodies. Strumming or playing jazz style fingered chords, but mainly folk finger picking style. Seeing playing scales is key to getting the grips of bass, I think this may encourage me to expand my directions on the guitar. 
 
So far I am only seeing the positives of the idea, the only negative being that time will be split from focusing on one. But so far I've found having more instrument choices has meant I have been practising more overall. 
 
2014/12/30 01:07:38
kennywtelejazz
Scoot , 
I happen to be a big fan of spending my money on real instruments that I can play anywhere , under any circumstance anytime I want too w out having to use a computer .
 
A couple of low priced string instruments that I enjoy playing that I would sorely miss if they went bye bye …….
 
Tenor Uke , my Uke is tuned w the low string as a low G as opposed to a high G …
 
Guitalele , this is a 6 string Uke that is for guitar players …it is small like a Uke and its playable range is the equivalent of putting a capo on the 5 th fret of a guitar ….tuning is A ,D , G, C , E , A …low to high .
 
7 string electric guitar …low B string …currently I'm playing a lot of 7 string at home .
 
Mandolin , i enjoy playing it, sadly , out of every instrument I own aside from keyboards this is the one instrument that I have the least amount of chops on …lol
 
 
Student Grade nylon string classical guitar …every time I practice and work out my ideas on a nylon string guitar my hands feel great ….when I go over to the electric guitar my fingers feel like they can do anything 
 
out of everything I just mentioned , the only instrument I haven't played a number of hours this week was the mandolin …..
 
IMHO , having to deal with all the different ranges and tunings has helped made it possible for me to approach playing and learning new music from a listening perspective as opposed to a just run the ole fingers all over the fretboard type of approach ….
 
Kenny
 
 
 
2014/12/30 02:21:14
Scoot
I'm in such agreement Kenny. My Flute is a Yamaha Solid silver headed flute, a higher end student flute. But I much prefer playing my cheap Chinese Alto flute, which has the unfortunate name of Parrot. My old sax repair guy hated Parrots. If read on the internet how bad they are and many complaints of how it's not possible to play low C (which is actually G) because the metal is too soft for the key work to hold it's shape. This is rubbish, I've had it years now, and it's fine. They just need to get theirs sorted, it's more likely they just had some small leaks that mounted up. 
 
When I came travelling, I took the cheap Alto, despite being bigger, because I new if somesthing happened to it, it's replacement would be be better, simply because I am playing the worse alto flute. However the yamaha would get replaced with the same and would cost more to get the same.
 
I sold my Baritone, it just wasn't practical, I loved the experience of playing it. But again if I would replace it, I would get better, so maybe something to return to in years to come.
 
My Soprano sax is probably the most expensive instrument I own. Yanagisawa make great sopranos, are renowned for it, and even though it's the bottom of their range, they do not make student flutes. My ex (the one I get the name Scoot from) paid about 2/3rds of the price 10 years ago as a thank you for taking time off work, and renovating her house in Manchester, that she then sold for  big profit. I can't sell this, it has a story that is personal to me. When I looked into having this shipped or taking as hand luggage, I looked up the weight on the shop I bought it from and was stunned to see its now new value. It's twice what we paid.
 
So I have a Flute in C, a Flute in G and Soprano in Bb. So when I learn a melody, I learn iit to play all three keys on all three instruments. I have really noticed how my ability to transpose has come along. Once I have the initial melody learnt, and the phrasing down, I can work out the rest.
 
My new steps into playing the guitar are really having  positive effect on my confidence to tackle chord progression. I get the theory, I just afraid of it. I'm stuck in modal playing of my winds. I am hoping this will break me out of it.
 
Having bought an Epiphone, I am assured that they make a good enough standard of instrument for me, I don't need to kid myself I need more. So looking at Fender's Squier J and P basses, I don't have any hesitation in investing in one. I'm living in a Hotel at the moment, waiting for Work Permits, Apostilles and Document to be legalised, and my probation period to end, so It will be a few months at least before I buy anything. In the meantime I can work on scales in a few positions and arpeggios, something that will transfer over to the bass. So when I finally get it, it will feel more familiar, and I can just focus on my getting my right had to catch up with my left.
 
The acoustic guitar I picked up in Vietnam is Japanese, funnily a Suzuki. So I play a Yamaha Flute and a Suzuki Guitar. It's a good enough quality it plays pretty nice from what I can tell, and from when other more adept have picked it up.
 
With a Bass I think I'll be completing my set up, Being able to bass, chords on the guitars, melody and harmonizing lines on the winds. Before I have to suppliment with anything from within Sonar. I'm just glad for things like TH2 and Markbass, so I don't have to get Amp envy.
 
Sorry all my posts seem quite long in this thread
 
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