2011/03/30 04:24:24
Carissa Swenson
I don't post here much, but now and then I keep an eye on things that are Sonar because many of my students and associates use home-level DAW products and the field can be interesting.
 
I can't proportion the array of attitudes and stances seen at a web forum with any accuracy, but I can easily talk about my impressions and feelings about a site, and reflect on how those affect my willingness to contribute and be of value.
 
Indeed, the highest value of a forum such as this is the exchange of technical details on a technical product which has limited realtime support (any product, really, has vendor limitations in terms of support coverage and response).
 
When the nature of a forum becomes clique-and-buddy oriented, abusive and disrespectful as this forum has, then all of you have a real problem to deal with, as the very value of the place degrades due to many experts and users not even wanting to log in and participate.  It's a quantity that you'll never be able to number, because no-shows can't be counted, but what can be counted is the time it takes to get a real solution to an issue.
 
I see petty name-calling, cheap derogation of others, snide back-handed sniping at those who don't carry the flag for this troubled X1 product, and in general a thick, repulsive buddy system of snobbery and rejection of others that makes this place similar to standing in the playground area of a juvenile detention center.
 
Of course, I'm not talking about many, many of the kind, productive contributors here, and I'm sure they aren't offended.  I'm talking to the armchair brave who snip and quip at others whom they would well not treat in such a manner if personally present.  I'm talking about folks who call another a "Phuckwad", as I just read minutes ago from an individual who also blindly asserted that an OP had pirated expensive software.  I'm talking about the people who deride others and showboat verbally for their buds on the forum at the expense of the comfort of a poster (and truly at the expense of their own dignity and this forum's).
 
Fire away at this post, weak ones, but know for certain that your demeanor repels valuable people from contributing to this forum, and thusly hurts the product and its user-base in the short, mid and long run.
 
Carissa
2011/03/30 04:29:21
Twigman
<joey tribbiani>
How you doing?
</joey tribbiani>
2011/03/30 04:54:13
jeffb9363
Well said.
2011/03/30 07:10:51
dappa1
Doesn't it just reflect society...alot of the old members have left and you have a new breed coming from different DAWs and expectations are high!

All I can say is people have views that they cannot express in real life! Maybe they're gophers in real life and the only way that they feel that they can be someone is by having Platinum member by their names.

Some have ADHD and their post count is very high its a disease, a very bad sick disease! Carissa there is no cure for it...this is the way how it is. We have been plaqued and Cakewalk have not found the cure yet!

Be patient, one day the cure will be found but will the people ever be the same again ohhh Carissa...its a vicious world in here!  
2011/03/30 07:16:42
Chromatic8
Agree 100%.  It's hard to keep in mind that you may help a few folks with your input as you anticipate the inevitable blast of ignorance and/or jingoism so you keep your mouth shut.  And so the signal goes down and the noise goes up.

-c8
2011/03/30 07:19:34
mudgel
Carissa Swenson


I don't post here much, but now and then I keep an eye on things that are Sonar because many of my students and associates use home-level DAW products and the field can be interesting.
 
I can't proportion the array of attitudes and stances seen at a web forum with any accuracy, but I can easily talk about my impressions and feelings about a site, and reflect on how those affect my willingness to contribute and be of value.
 
Indeed, the highest value of a forum such as this is the exchange of technical details on a technical product which has limited realtime support (any product, really, has vendor limitations in terms of support coverage and response).
 
When the nature of a forum becomes clique-and-buddy oriented, abusive and disrespectful as this forum has, then all of you have a real problem to deal with, as the very value of the place degrades due to many experts and users not even wanting to log in and participate.  It's a quantity that you'll never be able to number, because no-shows can't be counted, but what can be counted is the time it takes to get a real solution to an issue.
 
I see petty name-calling, cheap derogation of others, snide back-handed sniping at those who don't carry the flag for this troubled X1 product, and in general a thick, repulsive buddy system of snobbery and rejection of others that makes this place similar to standing in the playground area of a juvenile detention center.
 
Of course, I'm not talking about many, many of the kind, productive contributors here, and I'm sure they aren't offended.  I'm talking to the armchair brave who snip and quip at others whom they would well not treat in such a manner if personally present.  I'm talking about folks who call another a "Phuckwad", as I just read minutes ago from an individual who also blindly asserted that an OP had pirated expensive software.  I'm talking about the people who deride others and showboat verbally for their buds on the forum at the expense of the comfort of a poster (and truly at the expense of their own dignity and this forum's).
 
Fire away at this post, weak ones, but know for certain that your demeanor repels valuable people from contributing to this forum, and thusly hurts the product and its user-base in the short, mid and long run.
 
Carissa

With 5 posts in the last year before this one your casual observations nonetheless are worthy of consideration.
Many folks leave here for one reason or another. some because they change to another major DAW and they no longer maintain an obvious presence which can really only be made by frequent contributions. they're busy on another forum.
Some state their disgust to goings on and leave because of that. Others just tolerate it as just a small part of the whole which they choose to overlook in favor of what is positive.
 
YOu mention your students using various DAWS. What is it that you teach that involves your students in using one or another DAW?
 
 
2011/03/30 07:27:19
kb420
Carissa,  this forum can be completely vicious at times.  I've been brutally attacked here on more than one occasion and it's caused me to stop posting here as much as I did when I first became a user of Sonar.   All in all,  I do believe that if you come here looking for help,  there are people here that are willing to lend a helping hand.  If you come here with the intent to vent your frustrations about bugs,  you will find a shoulder to cry on,   and if you come here looking for an argument,  you're guaranteed to get one.  The forum is just a microcosm of society itself.  If you don't let the negative conditions of society get you down in real life,  then don't let the negative conditions of this forum keep you away.

Remember,  life is what you make it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqCZBgsl9tA
2011/03/30 07:31:03
chuckebaby
if you care that much than youll come in here and post more..make a difference in here..if not than your just looking at a problem and turning your head..i like your attitude..its refreshing we need someone with that type of attitude.so whats it going to be?...6 more posts a year or spend more time in here and make a difference?i guess you get out of this forum what you put in to it.
2011/03/30 07:40:27
dappa1
Only if the world stayed the same for one year!

However, you are forever young Carissa!!!
2011/03/30 07:52:09
daryl1968
......it seams to me that everyone is being exceedingly polite to Carissa.
Could that be anything to do with the photo?
You realize that Carissa is actually a 300 pound truck driver called Frank.
He is drawing you into his web - beware.
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