SeveredVesper


The posts i've read reminded me of our dear CJay.

He hit hard, he was straight forward, but in my early days, he helped me work things out, military style.

"What do you mean? Creative SB is ****, get a decent interface! And for that simple editing, you might want to RTFM"
(Well i may have overdone the posts, but i had quite the same "hurt" value when i read it)

I think i have been told RTFM for about 5 times, until i told them that my manual was washed away by a flood that went inside our house (I saved up my dad's "The Cure" LPs above all.)


High post count, low post count, on my experience, it didn't matter.
Bitflipper was my first close friend here, then came SpaceDuck, then came Bapu and the CH crew.

I have not read the posts that Carissa have may felt being offensive. I don't roam upstairs, even my tech support problems are posted on the CH. But i know, there ARE some people upstairs that may be offensive, defensive or just rude. Whether it be siding with Sonar or not, we know there are people upstairs that are unkind, sometimes making me not want to post there anymore. Maybe that was what Carissa was saying. I also was once sad about the attitudes of some people upstairs (Note, there are unkind users who have low post counts, just to point out), that's why i went down, and that's where i grew, downstairs, and i'm happy with it.


I just disagree with the experts thingy and the forum having cliques. Even as a new user i have never been mobbed by a group of unkind people which were in one alliance. It's too much of a generalization. And about the experts: Most of the experts here are kind. And i don't think experts would be afraid to uphold their expertise to a less-skilled poster.


The downstairs community itself is more than enough to address all help in all topics. It also lets me be free in non-Sonar things, heck i even asked something about Cubase, and i openly said that i have switch to CB5. Yeah maybe i ranted once about Sonar not working for me lately, but that's me, it just couldn't work for me.


About post-count to amount of seriousness, i just want to explain (I'm too lazy to search who posted that statement.)


The reason why the first comments were serious, were because it was still upstairs. ANYTHING that gets redirected to CH gets OT and silly, and it was just coincidences that the ones who posted upstairs had low post counts, and the ones here had high post counts. Okay?

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Excellently stated.

Crg

Fire away at this post, weak ones, but know for certain that your demeanor repels valuable people from contributing to this forum, and thusly hurts the product and its user-base in the short, mid and long run. Carissa

 
It seems you're just as guilty of the same behavior that you admonish Carissa.

Couldn't have kissed-up to the group any better, mate.  These all your buds?  Seems like lots of these blokes have more time for deriding the lady than 1) hearing her message and 2) doing their music.   Her message wasn't posted in the CH -- it was moved here, and it belonged where it was, from what I see.  
 
You guys are all over the board with your weakness and groupie gangups.
 
Was trying to figure, you know, what kind of prat would question a person's origin and all and not think it shows that THEIR OWN creds might be shady.  Projection, I think Freud called it -- eh?
 
Anyways, I see lots of little girlies here bouncing their quips about between their little club and not many men of integrity and concern for how this all makes them and the Sonar environment look.
 
Guys -- it makes you look like fools.  It really does.  Little spouting oddballs.
 
Good post, CRG.  Spot on in terms of knowing where you stand in this fluff.   The lady points our your rough edges and yous gang up on her.  Nice little town.  Just don't count, as she said, on quality visitors or any big houses.

Little spouting oddballs.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Jonbouy

Little spouting oddballs.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Tee hee hee.  You've got fifty scenarios in your own life, for sure, that it IS a bad thing for someone to think that of you.  It's just that here you can play with your pee pee and other blokes fancy it.

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SeveredVesper
"What do you mean? Creative SB is ****, get a decent interface! And for that simple editing, you might want to RTFM"
(Well i may have overdone the posts, but i had quite the same "hurt" value when i read it)
　
yes; that is my point; you were 'hurt' by some of the responses you received when you first came on this forum.
Even though those responses were meant to help, by people with good intentions, you were still 'hurt' by some of the responders.

　
Now, put yourself in Clarissa's place. The OP was a bit negative concerning a few forum members but also praiseworthy of other forum members; No specific names were ever mentioned. In my opinion the words in the OP were sincere.
　
Now a few forum members (Danny and Humble Noise come to mind, there were others too) said some nice things;
great. If this ended on the second page. All is well with the world.

　
but then the 'snide' remarks start; One, two at first and then three or four pages of jokes, insults, funny remarks.

Now, most of these comments were not malicious. I understand that, but once the forum regulars start to chime in, it seems the flood gates open.

High posters have a big impact on what direction these posts take.

There is a 'buddy' system here; and that's ok, but when you use this 'buddy system' to hurt people (even though you may not mean to do so) there is something wrong with that.
　
There's nothing wrong with humor; There are a dozen threads everyday you can banter at will.

but this thread was a serious attempt to say something important.
and after a nice start it turned into page after page after page of laughing and making fun of the OP.

When you are the 'new kid on the block' you might not understand why the crowd is laughing. (even innocent laughter can seem sinister)
　

In the scheme of things, the behaviour on the Sonar forum doesn't amount to very much, but if we can't get along on this forum it doesn't say too much for where we are heading as a society.


Everyone that posts has a responsibility to be civil, courteous and respectful;  I hope we all agree on that, and when and if we do, we all have to practice it.

Tom,

You seem to me like a good guy.

I can actually remember feeling some of the ways you are describing as well at the outset, but as I joined in those feelings of mine got exposed as being bogus.

It's like if I go to a party, I can choose to join in or I can isolate myself in the kitchen and find somebody else in there that's prepared to snipe at those enjoying themselves.

Put it this way what you have here is a bunch of musos and engineers and the like, now imagine if you joined a band with over 1000's disparate members.

What would that be like?

From that point of view it makes this place look like a spiritual commune in comparison.

No?

edit to add: OK there's a lot of goofing off in the Coffee House if that ain't your bag check out the sub-forums, the Techniques and Software forums are particular favourites of mine, better still post some of your creations up on the Songs forum, get some feedback and join in collabs with others.

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Jonbouy


It's like if I go to a party, I can choose to join in or I can isolate myself in the kitchen and find somebody else in there that's prepared to snipe at those enjoying themselves.

Yeah.... You're always in the kitchen I bet ;-).  Put the drink down and make yourself useful or get the hell outta my way. I got a hundred  shortcakes to strawberry.

rhynosynth

Jonbouy


It's like if I go to a party, I can choose to join in or I can isolate myself in the kitchen and find somebody else in there that's prepared to snipe at those enjoying themselves.

Yeah.... You're always in the kitchen I bet ;-).  Put the drink down and make yourself useful or get the hell outta my way. I got a hundred  shortcakes to strawberry.

Dang, I forgot about chef.