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2015/01/14 18:35:23
bapu
I had a bad taste of sour grapes once.
2015/01/14 18:56:34
dubdisciple
It's  quite possible Kurt would not have given a $#!+ Who knows. I suppose he knew the whole world would read the note. It's  tacky as hell, but I suppose that is part of taking the bad and good of capitalism.
2015/01/14 19:14:09
Crg
What? No blood splatter?
2015/01/14 21:07:12
batsbrew
this oughta get your goozle..
 

2015/01/14 22:21:52
Doc_Hollingsworth
This ended up as topic of discussion here at the fort. The wife and I agree. It is in bad taste. I still don't think Kurt killed himself. But then again I've been known to run around the house with an aluminum foil helmet swearing that space aliens are trying to control my mind.
2015/01/14 23:41:07
dubdisciple
El dice killed him!
2015/01/15 00:12:31
sharke
Well it's tacky as hell of course, but it's a free market...
 
Personally I think that kids going around wearing CCCP t-shirts with the hammer and sickle is far worse, considering the 10's of millions of Russians who were slaughtered. They might as well cover themselves in swastikas. And then of course you have the Che Guevara t-shirts, because murderers are très chic aren't they. 
 
But this Cobain suicide note design...yes it's in poor taste but then again people are quite comfortable wearing crosses to symbolize the thing that Jesus was nailed to, is that really any worse? Maybe in a few hundred years time, this suicide note will be considered some kind of holy document. 
2015/01/15 15:01:32
Rain
sharke
Personally I think that kids going around wearing CCCP t-shirts with the hammer and sickle is far worse, considering the 10's of millions of Russians who were slaughtered. 



It was kind of odd when we were in Moscow to see that they were marketing the symbols of communism. Besides those traditional Russian dolls, the bulk of what you find in gift shops is related to the communist era. Paradox...
 
2015/01/15 15:27:57
dubdisciple
sharke
Well it's tacky as hell of course, but it's a free market...
 
Personally I think that kids going around wearing CCCP t-shirts with the hammer and sickle is far worse, considering the 10's of millions of Russians who were slaughtered. They might as well cover themselves in swastikas. And then of course you have the Che Guevara t-shirts, because murderers are très chic aren't they. 
 
But this Cobain suicide note design...yes it's in poor taste but then again people are quite comfortable wearing crosses to symbolize the thing that Jesus was nailed to, is that really any worse? Maybe in a few hundred years time, this suicide note will be considered some kind of holy document. 




Those kids are worse IF we make the assumption the kids are thinking of it in those terms.  i hate to go into the whole perspective and relativism angle, but sometimes it does come down to that. People who wear those kind of shirts tend to fall into two categories (that i have witnessed personally..i am sure there are more): those who have no clue about the history of the Soviet Union (and yes, those people exist) and those who have a different take on the history of the Soviet Union.  i remember asking the wannabe communist kids why they would support such an oppressive regime?  The typical answer fell along the lines of the answer i get when I ask a similar question about any group with a lot of supporters and blood on their hands; dismissal, denial and redirection. try it out now.  Go ask a muslim about the recent attacks and i doubt you get a lot of direct, unconditional support for such acts. I don't know any Christians who are not kkk themselves that see the KKK as a representative of Chrsitianity even though many cells claim just that. Every communist wannabe i spoke to condemned soviet atrocities in the same way most Americans condemn atrocities of our past and so on.They do not define communism by the acts of Stalin anymore than Americans define the USA by slavery or Muslims define islam by 911 or Christians define Christianity by the Inquisition.  They point to what they feel are ideals (often utopian in nature) and see atrocities as the collateral damage of those not adhering to those principals. I'm not defending brutal regimes or abuses done in the name of race, politics, religion, etc.  Just pointing out that most adherents to various ideologies do not see themselves through the same lens as their detractors.  in theory communism is a Utopian notion.  A society where everyone is equal and well cared for.  We know (with the exception of primitive cultures) the actual reality is much different.  That doesn't stop people from dreaming and focusing on the dream.  I guess my point is that those kids are probably more guilty of being ignorant or delusional and under the impression they are showing support for a form of idealism rather than sending the message they want some Stalin style brutality.
 
2015/01/15 15:38:43
dubdisciple
Rain
sharke
Personally I think that kids going around wearing CCCP t-shirts with the hammer and sickle is far worse, considering the 10's of millions of Russians who were slaughtered. 



It was kind of odd when we were in Moscow to see that they were marketing the symbols of communism. Besides those traditional Russian dolls, the bulk of what you find in gift shops is related to the communist era. Paradox...
 


Not sure how accurate my sources are, but I have a decent number of Russian and Ukrainian neighbors and their explanation for such things is that the people in power in Russia miss being one of the two top powers in the world and those symbols represent the last time they were truly a world power.  Not to mention many of the people still in power are remnants of the old soviet power structure.  it is somewhat reminiscent of how Hitler used the bruised collective ego of Germans post treaty of Versailles to make them think fondly of the glory days of Prussia and other Germanic military lore of the past. Nostalgia tends to have rose colored lenses, filtering out the ugliness and just seeing the selected (and often fictionalized)glory of a perceived peak in power. The Soviet Union was the country vying with the US for dominance at the Olympics.  The USSR was the main country in the nuclear and space race with the US. International negotiations were pretty much an ongoing compromise between US and USSR interests.  nevermind they lost that battle on all fronts for the most part.  Just being in contention is a far cry from Russia's current standing as an "other" behind the US, China and others. Perhaps for them,  being #2 in a pointless pissing contest beats not being considered one of the main penises at all.
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