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  • Green Sleeves (2012) ((fixed a few issues)) (p.3)
2012/11/28 14:10:39
The Band19

Fist full of dollars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mk_sUPtYjw

"You see my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it..."
2012/11/28 14:17:23
Guitarhacker
The Band19


Fist full of dollars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mk_sUPtYjw

"You see my mule don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it..."




2012/11/28 15:54:13
notnat
good one Herb... Well done...
2012/11/28 18:13:18
jamesyoyo
The Band19




+1000000.  Exactly what came into my head after about three seconds.  Merry Christmas, Herb.
2012/11/28 18:39:52
Guitarhacker
Frank & James..... glad you listened and Merry Christmas back at ya





New version up: 

fixes include quantizing the piano at the beginning to 1/16ths.... fixed a few places in the piano tracks (thanks Janet for pointing that out...I knew better than to let it slide)  

added some verb and thats all folks.....



enjoy.
2012/11/28 19:09:30
wizard71
I like this Herb, really nice interpretation of a classic, nicely recorded to. Glad you have fixed the piano part, it was the weak link. Good job!

Bibs
2012/11/28 20:48:33
philz
Very nicely done, Herb.  Really dug the guitar break around the 2:00 mark and the guitar harmonies coming out.
2012/11/28 22:41:19
Janet
Those parts sound better, Herb.  

I almost hesitate to say anything else, cause I can't really put my finger on it, but maybe lower the velocity on the keys?  And many of the chords seem just milliseconds behind the beat, like you're hesitating.  That could possibly be two easy fixes with the mouse.  I was going to say that in each chord, every note has a different velocity, but since you actually played it and didn't input it with the mouse, then they probably do anyway, so that's not it.  Anyway, that's just being picky and one of the few things I can sorta sound like I know what I'm talking about.  The whole thing sounds great.  :)  
2012/11/29 00:08:04
bitflipper
Sounds great, Herb. Janet may be on to something. I have a tendency to pound the keyboard when I'm playing piano, as if it were a real piano. Often I end up using the velocity offset slider to get a better tone and dynamics without having to re-play the part.
2012/11/29 08:46:08
Guitarhacker
Thanks Bibs, Philz, Janet & Dave.

On the piano parts.... it was played in by hand (mostly except for some limited editing) The keyboard I use is one of those really old, non-weighted Yamaha DX-27S synths. light touch, heavy touch doesn't matter because it's not touch sensitive.  Most of the velocity is at 60. I edited a few places manually and those went in at 100 so I changed them to a much lower number. 

I have a radio shack something or other in the attic which I think has touch sensitivity but is still non-weighted. I have considered selling both and buying a weighted, touch sensitive keyboard. 

On the hesitation aspect. I basically redid the track using the piano midi solo as the foundation. The 16th staccato  intro and other places where it occurs in the song were quantized to nail them to the beat. They had a tendency to drift noticeably before. 

I'm listening to this solo as I write this..... I hear, in a few places the very very slight "behind the beat" start of the chords and notes in a few places.  I do know that I went through this last night before I reposted this updated version with the midi in Staff view to look at the music. In quite a few places the chord that was supposed to be on beat 1 in a given measure was actually about 1/32nd late...maybe 1/64th. I dragged a bunch of them to the 1. I also fixed other lagging notes in the same way. 

Even though you drag a note to the 1.... there is still a hidden factor that may come into play.  In staff and PRV (I'm guessing on PRV) a note may show as being on 1, either naturally or dragged there..... BUT.... it's actual location may be at 1:058. That note would look like it's on 1:00 but unless it was edited in the note properties window, one would not know that. That small delay is noticeable to people who are listening for it.... but to the average listener, it goes mostly unnoticed. 

I have to work on another tune today so I will explore that detail on this song to see if that is what is still happening there.... 



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