Hi
I have a lot of midi files that I have collected over many years of downloads.
 
I have not found anything to play XG on win8.1...so a lot of that is plain when put through GS midi.
 
Now I seem to be having issues with Addictive drummer 2, and setting up the GS and XG midi to play the right drum parts.
I have found a learn feature in Addictive Drums, which can remap the note played to any drum, hat and such ...But which drum, hat ride or other should it be?
 
Now this issue must be solved here quickly....if GS plays the right instrument , but sounds bad....How can I find out what drum or hat or tom or such is being played as GS midi,... if no information is showing on the piano list or event list of the name of the instrument that note is assigned to play? (example..b2=open hi hat)...what I see is level ,length,hsmf,kind,note...and such but no names.
Is there a listing of noted GS and XG instruments I can find for GS and XG that shows the listing of instruments assigned to the note values used that were originally used to make the content of the midi?...So I can select the right instrument or close enough in Addictive drummer 2?...as it seems Addictive drummer 2 does not play the right things when assigning GS to play through this Plugin when just left to play as is.
 
 
Just want to know, so I do not make mistakes...and pick the wrong drums or hat, or mix them up...to start off.
 
 
Thanks for any help.
 
 
Sir Les

found this.
http://www.voidaudio.net/percussion.html

ok I am finding stuff now..
 
found this for XG instruments in a mixer type picture...seems to have all the info.
 
http://www.studio4all.de/images/xg_drum1.jpg

found the XG book and cd, with reset files for GM, GS, and XG.
uploaded to onedrive:
 
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D8165C5C2F47E451!202&authkey=!AGyyrdFdnhATbyo&ithint=folder%2cMID
 
I believe one puts the reset file in front of a midi file to play as that file type....But I have to read the manual, and copy that later on....
So use these only if you are having issues mapping...and are sure you know what they do.
 
Till I get that copied later, ...Hope it helps others.
 
OK HERE IS SOME XG INFO AND LISTS OF XG VOICES AND TB300B BANK INSTRUMENTS, AND EFFECTS FROM MY ONE DRIVE I SCANNED:
 
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D8165C5C2F47E451!206&authkey=!AIoR83f54Mig0_0&ithint=folder%2c
 
GOT SOME GS VOICES AND NUMBER LISTINGS HERE:
https://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=D8165C5C2F47E451!245&authkey=!AKraOtj06f4oZ-4&ithint=folder%2crtf
 
LINK TO WEBSITE FOR GS:
http://www.voidaudio.net/gsinstrument.html
 
link to GM LEVEL 1:
http://www.midi.org/techspecs/gm1sound.php#percussion
 
Sir Les.

The simple answer is you need a Roland Sound Canvas to play back GS MIDI files. For XG you need a Yamaha sound card to play those back. 
 
GS is a Roland addition to GM MIDI. It allows  for banks and a way to access them. XG is also an addition to GM but is for added filter and control to the GM spec.  Neither one will play back correctly on a GM device..
GS has unlimited patches via it banks. GM does not recognize XG MIDI files. GM has only 128 possible patches.  It is possible to play GS MIDI files on a GM device. It wont sound as good. 
 
GM 2 has 256 patches .    
 

John
The simple answer is you need a Roland Sound Canvas to play back GS MIDI files. For XG you need a Yamaha sound card to play those back. 
 
GS is a Roland addition to GM MIDI. It allows  for banks and a way to access them. XG is also an addition to GM but is for added filter and control to the GM spec.  Neither one will play back correctly on a GM device..
GS has unlimited patches via it banks. GM does not recognize XG MIDI files. GM has only 128 possible patches.  It is possible to play GS MIDI files on a GM device. It wont sound as good. 
 
GM 2 has 256 patches .    
 

 
I'd salt that  advice bit.
 
Since I play with foreign midi files all the time, and happen to have an MU100, I can say that 'XG' files pretty much follow the GM/GM2 standard. Both GS and XG extend GM with banks, but you'l find many files with GS or XG sysex data yet are still using the basic GM bank with no banks specified for the program changes. 
 
 
XG vs GS - XG is generally easy to follow, bank numbers bring up variations on the same instrument, and bank numbers represent a standard variation, i.e key-spread, stereo, etc. Standard behavior for XG samplers is to default to basic bank 0 for any bank not supported in a particular model, giving the proper instrument if a variation is not supported. With GS, the banks don't quite follow a scheme - you really need to know the program list (which you can google up). 
 
It's not all that hard to repatch a GS-based file to a GM/XG one within Sonar, I do it all the time. Of course, no roland sysex data will work, but it's very rare to find one that has anything more than a simple GS reset, which you can safely ignore or remove. Sysex data is just quite rare...because it's model specific.
 
I'm not sure, but I think the TTS-1 is GS compatible to some degree... It's got the high numbered banks of GM2 - and you can load a midi using that to get the instrument lists, before you repatch to a vst or an different external rompler.
 
For an XG unit, you can pick them up on eBay for $80-$100... I just sold my MU80 for an MU100 there...it's worth it if you play with midi files.
 
As for differences in sound - excepting special, advanced controls such as ADSR envelopes, differences are due to the samples themselves. Nothing you can do about that. Then again, no two musician performers ever sound exactly alike either.

TTS-1 is GM2 compatible. 

John
TTS-1 is GM2 compatible. 

It's the hairball way that GM2 starts with 121 for the bank MSB. Since Sonar lists the MSB/LSB of the bank as a 14 bit quantity you get 15488 as bank 0. Ugly, but what can you do.

Yes Super G has my  thoughts captured in his post, I need the lists of names of the instruments, and notes those standards play.
 
I found my XG book and cd....
 
My guest have left.
 
I now have some time to go through that, and set up a AD2 Drum patch templete for XG drum midi files I have....So that will help solve that, as I can then load up a AD2 saved XG mapping, to some correctly played back sounding of the original midi Instrument triggered..
 
The GS stuff is not showing up so easy on the net...in naming the instrument to the note , or to a instrument list being found yet.
 
I am sure I can find this stuff, as I have a lot of audio midi cards of past ISA formats....that had books that came with them ....Just have to dig deeper, or as SuprerG said googling it out on the net, may solve for.
 
But what I do find in regards to the issue I have, having Midi drums playing wrong In AD2...It is a bit of a learning curve I did not expect to have to do....these days.
 
Best wishes....
 
I will keep updating this with midi info...as I get back into this studio dream...
 
Any Input on how to set up midi gear, lighting, and effect triggering, is also going to be added...or can be, by those who know...Or when I find it.
 
So keep things going...Thanks for the help.
 
 
Sir Les

Also I do have a XG db50 Card (daughter board)(fits on a isa sound card now out of commission and no longer supported)...I am sure I can get a hack, to make it a sound box out of the daughterboard)...but I thought mapping midi to AD2 audio wav loops and getting the "real drum loop sounds correctly mapped out for all midi standards and making a templete might help get up a running faster when dealing with projects" in my mixes should improve the quality over gm, gs, xg, fm synth ....I have a Roland sound Canvis 32L, very old stuff (might have the manual for that somewhere with the name listings of the notes it plays?), and it liked to hang or get stuck with the Atari 1040 stfm, and my early PC days, to get things working with steinbug....which ended up in the closet or vault of time...until the DAWs became stable on good working systems and software...(I know am pulling these book and such out again, perhaps something has changed?......(as it seems all the bugs are kind of worked out on my PCs, and recent new Mac today....(fingers crossed)(and my hair has grown back some)...lol..Opps, I had to put that in eh...lol.
 
So I will continue to post stuff up, and hope it helps others find things faster...if this problem is being found with others...
 
Again thanks for the help and comments.
 
 
Best wishes!
 
P>S.
 As for Your comment superG, in your profile under your posted words...The Lord has openned up hell, and let em all out...for Judgement day,...Please stay tuned to the good path, and stand by for the mayhem !...wink.