Sad it's in the virtual rack only

Zo
Sad it's in the virtual rack only

As mentioned in the email, it will make no difference whatsoever to your current workflow. Just put your VCC module in the rack and select VMR instead of your VCC module when choosing to insert it into your track/bus/etc. Just set up your template one time the way you like it and you'll never have to think about it again :)

From Steven Slate:
"If you load VCC 2.0 in VMR and save it as default, you essentially have the SAME workflow as now. You go into your plugin list, you choose VMR, it loads instantly with VCC 2.0 on your screen, and you proceed in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as you do now. No extra steps or problems, no monsters jumping out of the screen, all is the same, and you'll have some sweet analog console tone again! If your plan is to just use VCC (since you are under absolutely positively NO obligation to get any other VMR modules), then just pretend that it is now listed as 'VMR' in your plugin menu. That's it. "

skitch_84

Zo
Sad it's in the virtual rack only

As mentioned in the email, it will make no difference whatsoever to your current workflow. Just put your VCC module in the rack and select VMR instead of your VCC module when choosing to insert it into your track/bus/etc. Just set up your template one time the way you like it and you'll never have to think about it again :)

From Steven Slate:
"If you load VCC 2.0 in VMR and save it as default, you essentially have the SAME workflow as now. You go into your plugin list, you choose VMR, it loads instantly with VCC 2.0 on your screen, and you proceed in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as you do now. No extra steps or problems, no monsters jumping out of the screen, all is the same, and you'll have some sweet analog console tone again! If your plan is to just use VCC (since you are under absolutely positively NO obligation to get any other VMR modules), then just pretend that it is now listed as 'VMR' in your plugin menu. That's it. "

Except that you're still installing stuff that you don't want on your computer,. 
 
Maybe I'm OCD, maybe I'm overly anal, but I for one am very picky about what I install on my computer. I won't install a demo unless I'm 90% sold. 
 
But it's now the modus operandi for some companies to use any product they sell you as a trojan horse to install all their junk on your HD.
 
I didn't install the freebie Slate distributed as a part of VMR because I didn't want the demos it came with on my HD. But now he's found a way to shove those demos down my throat.
 
I find it disrespectful. And the fact that he's arguing about it and rationalizing it is even more insulting.
 
I mean, just grow a pair and just tell me to f*** off instead of arguing... I'd respect that.
 
Waves use a shell, yet they don't force you to install all of their plug-ins when you buy only one.  

Rain

skitch_84

Zo
Sad it's in the virtual rack only

As mentioned in the email, it will make no difference whatsoever to your current workflow. Just put your VCC module in the rack and select VMR instead of your VCC module when choosing to insert it into your track/bus/etc. Just set up your template one time the way you like it and you'll never have to think about it again :)

From Steven Slate:
"If you load VCC 2.0 in VMR and save it as default, you essentially have the SAME workflow as now. You go into your plugin list, you choose VMR, it loads instantly with VCC 2.0 on your screen, and you proceed in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as you do now. No extra steps or problems, no monsters jumping out of the screen, all is the same, and you'll have some sweet analog console tone again! If your plan is to just use VCC (since you are under absolutely positively NO obligation to get any other VMR modules), then just pretend that it is now listed as 'VMR' in your plugin menu. That's it. "

Except that you're still installing stuff that you don't want on your computer,. 
 
Maybe I'm OCD, maybe I'm overly anal, but I for one am very picky about what I install on my computer. I won't install a demo unless I'm 90% sold. 
 
But it's now the modus operandi for some companies to use any product they sell you as a trojan horse to install all their junk on your HD.
 
I didn't install the freebie Slate distributed as a part of VMR because I didn't want the demos it came with on my HD. But now he's found a way to shove those demos down my throat.
 
I find it disrespectful.
 
Waves use a shell, yet they don't force you to install all of their plug-ins when you buy only one. 

I can understand where you're coming from. If you are a current owner of VCC, you should be able to just update to a standalone VCC if that's what you choose. However, I do understand why Slate went with the VMR route. While he's very upfront that, of course, he would love for you to purchase other VMR modules, the reason he did it this way is because this update was a complete rewrite of the code, and it was rewritten to work in the "shell" that is VMR. It's hard to please everyone, but I think Slate is an upstanding company and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. They make fantastic plugins that are priced TOO reasonably for their quality in my opinion. And they are offering the VMR shell for free. 

Again, I respect and understand your point of view. But, with Slate, I don't think you have to worry too much about unsafe things being installed on your system if it's coming from them. :)

+1
 
AFAIK, based on comments from his earlier email communications to us, the amount of time and code and programmers it was gonna take to get these updated plugins working standalone would have been severely prohibitive and time consuming, definitely something he didn't have much of. Steven said he even had to hire new coders in order to get these updates out in any reasonable time frame. So i can see that Steven was in a position where he had to make a judgement call of sorts. He's actually been juggling 5 different plugins on the fly all this time, and FG-X alone has been 3 years in the coming, and all while the Pro Tools AAX dudes were breathing down his neck something shocking, so you tell me? Steven also mentioned in one of his earlier emails that none of these updates will take a day longer than they need to, so that's saying something right there... dedication and commitment to his customers from what i can see.
 
FWIW, half of Hollywood is waiting on the man, seriously; there's some heavy hitters waiting on him. If i was in his situation i would have crumbled long before i even got out of the starting gate. I'm of the opinion that there is no sinister or self-serving intentions behind this new methodology, it just had to be this way all things considered. Notwithstanding if the VBC plugins are indeed VMR only, i'll be a little disappointed. However, let me make a prediction. From what i discern of Steven's character and the way he thinks, i reckon the VBC plugins will still be made available as standalone freewheeling plugins. Maybe, just maybe he'll decide that any plugins intended for the Stereo Bus will remain free agents, here's hoping...

I understand the logic behind this , when i spoke back then with Fab , they made in place a new framework and this framework was a big work but stiking with it will waranty very few trouble and good plugins when it come to stability , cpu hit , and code optimisation ....
 
So the way i see it is that they create an environement safe for them to dev plugins in ....my concern i that like i said for NI Gutiar rig or Tracks ...you won't be able to sse what you have on a channel fx bin until you open up the Rack  !!
 
 

Zo
you won't be able to sse what you have on a channel fx bin until you open up the Rack  !!

Like FX chains inside the PC?

exact this is why i don't use it ...still on X1 here ;)

Rain

skitch_84

Zo
Sad it's in the virtual rack only

As mentioned in the email, it will make no difference whatsoever to your current workflow. Just put your VCC module in the rack and select VMR instead of your VCC module when choosing to insert it into your track/bus/etc. Just set up your template one time the way you like it and you'll never have to think about it again :)

From Steven Slate:
"If you load VCC 2.0 in VMR and save it as default, you essentially have the SAME workflow as now. You go into your plugin list, you choose VMR, it loads instantly with VCC 2.0 on your screen, and you proceed in EXACTLY THE SAME WAY as you do now. No extra steps or problems, no monsters jumping out of the screen, all is the same, and you'll have some sweet analog console tone again! If your plan is to just use VCC (since you are under absolutely positively NO obligation to get any other VMR modules), then just pretend that it is now listed as 'VMR' in your plugin menu. That's it. "

Except that you're still installing stuff that you don't want on your computer,. 
 
Maybe I'm OCD, maybe I'm overly anal, but I for one am very picky about what I install on my computer. I won't install a demo unless I'm 90% sold. 
 
But it's now the modus operandi for some companies to use any product they sell you as a trojan horse to install all their junk on your HD.
 
I didn't install the freebie Slate distributed as a part of VMR because I didn't want the demos it came with on my HD. But now he's found a way to shove those demos down my throat.
 
I find it disrespectful. And the fact that he's arguing about it and rationalizing it is even more insulting.
 
I mean, just grow a pair and just tell me to f*** off instead of arguing... I'd respect that.
 
Waves use a shell, yet they don't force you to install all of their plug-ins when you buy only one.  

I have Waves Gold V9, Bass Rider, Vocal Rider, JJP and most of the Slate products including the VMR and VCC installed on my machine. I like and use both company's wares, I have no problem with iLok but I find Waveshell way more dysfunctional than any of the Slate products. I rue the day when I gas for another Waves plug. WUP is a joke in that regard, issues usually have to do with the Waveshell so your covered by whatever new plug you're trying to fix. Sometimes it's a better deal to get a new plug than re-WUP. Every time I think I'm out, They pull me back in. Just my $.02.
 
Rocky

One nice thing is that we will be able to save the VMR as a FX Chain Preset and name it Slate VCC.  So when you look at it in the Insert Bin, you will know exactly what it is instead of having to open it and look to see what module(s) are active in it.