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2015/01/10 21:38:10
The Maillard Reaction
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2015/01/11 03:15:25
strikinglyhandsome1
Worst case scenario is no license transfer. That goes for all though.
2015/01/11 17:17:18
dmbaer
Hmmm ... I guess I'm in the minority in not viewing an IK acquisition as a bad thing.  With IK, we'd have continued reasonable pricing (via frequent sales if nothing else) and we'd have an assurance that the product will continue to be multi-platform, which would not be the case with Apple, in all probability.  I don't know the details of IK's business, but I don't see them being quite big enough to acquire CA.
 
I don't give the Apple acquisition theory too much credence.  It just doesn't make sense unless Apple has identified the need for resynthesis technology or something like that and would buy CA for the technology but not the product line.  I just can't see Apple wanting to acquire a highly focused musical product.  I do hope I'm right on this, however.
 
Steinberg would not be all that bad either, at least for folks who run Cubase and already have an eLicenser.  That would be the major probable downside of a Steinberg acquisition - a dongle becoming a near certainty.  Otherwise, I think it would be healthy for the CA product line (plus we Cubase folks might get Camel Phat and Space as freebies in the next release of Cubase).
 
NI certainly has suitable size to be a contender, but that one just doesn't feel right for some reason I can't put my finger on.
 
Izotope might be OK as the new owner, other than the upgrades to Alchemy 2 would be seriously overpriced.  But at least we'd be assured of longevity and continued multi-platform support.
2015/01/11 17:47:25
Glyn Barnes
A lot of people do not like IKs business model, but it works. Some may be considered more "ethical" but if they do not survive is that any better for the customer?
2015/01/11 18:08:42
Rain
dmbaer
 
I don't give the Apple acquisition theory too much credence.  It just doesn't make sense unless Apple has identified the need for resynthesis technology or something like that and would buy CA for the technology but not the product line.  I just can't see Apple wanting to acquire a highly focused musical product.  I do hope I'm right on this, however.
 



As I mentioned earlier, Apple already has a very, very capable developer team when it comes to synths and effects. They can pull just about anything. If they wanted to come up with an equivalent to Alchemy, I'm convinced that they could do it w/o acquiring anything. Their current synths and effects line up show that.
 
Their electric piano and organ are at the very least right up there with the best of them.
Their sampler, EXS-24, and the way it integrates with Logic, is unrivalled.
ES-2 is an awesome synth, but people tend to overlook it because it's not buried in effects.
Sculpture is an incredibly sophisticated synth, reminiscent of Wolfgang Palm's PLEX. 
Their new Retro Synth covers subtractive, FM and Wavetable more than adequately.
Despite the busy GUI, Ultrabeat is an amazing beatbox/step sequencer.
And their new Drum Designer is a step into the future of virtual drummers. It's not simply an watered down alternative to a 3rd party package like EZ or SD.
 
You don't usually find anything on the level of those plug-ins included in any other DAW - unless it's a licensed 3rd party plug.
 
The way I see it, Apple does not have one René - they an entire team of Renés developing synths for them. 
2015/01/11 18:11:26
The Maillard Reaction
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2015/01/12 14:42:49
dubdisciple
Rain
dmbaer
 
I don't give the Apple acquisition theory too much credence.  It just doesn't make sense unless Apple has identified the need for resynthesis technology or something like that and would buy CA for the technology but not the product line.  I just can't see Apple wanting to acquire a highly focused musical product.  I do hope I'm right on this, however.
 



 
As I mentioned earlier, Apple already has a very, very capable developer team when it comes to synths and effects. They can pull just about anything. If they wanted to come up with an equivalent to Alchemy, I'm convinced that they could do it w/o acquiring anything. Their current synths and effects line up show that.
 
Their electric piano and organ are at the very least right up there with the best of them.
Their sampler, EXS-24, and the way it integrates with Logic, is unrivalled.
ES-2 is an awesome synth, but people tend to overlook it because it's not buried in effects.
Sculpture is an incredibly sophisticated synth, reminiscent of Wolfgang Palm's PLEX. 
Their new Retro Synth covers subtractive, FM and Wavetable more than adequately.
Despite the busy GUI, Ultrabeat is an amazing beatbox/step sequencer.
And their new Drum Designer is a step into the future of virtual drummers. It's not simply an watered down alternative to a 3rd party package like EZ or SD.
 
You don't usually find anything on the level of those plug-ins included in any other DAW - unless it's a licensed 3rd party plug.
 
The way I see it, Apple does not have one René - they an entire team of Renés developing synths for them. 




I think it's  safe to say Apple doesn't  need Camel.  I also agree about Ultrabeat. It's a beast despite being hideous. I know most won't  agree but I think FL Studio's  sampler is on par with Logic's in terms of integration. IMHO, FL is more like a sampler on steroids than a DAW. I don't  think FL's sampler has the power to create complex, articulated instruments like Exs24 but most are not using FL for that anyway. A testament to how tightly integrated the sampler is the fact many users do not realize the default instrument is indeed a sampler.
 
2015/01/12 14:55:16
bapu
scook
kitekrazy1
scook
The Sonitus DirectX plug-ins were ported to 64bit some time ago.




 Do these only work in Sonar?  I tried loading them in a VST host.  Is DirectX 64 bit capable?


They work in any DirectX host but unlike VST, there is no bridge for DirectX. IOW, 32bit DirectX plug-ins require a 32bit DirectX host, 64bit DirectX plug-ins require a 64bit DirectX host. A VST host is not necessarily a DirectX host too.


I'm still confused. When I install 64bit SONAR are my Sonitus plugs 64bit?
2015/01/12 15:00:48
Jeff Evans
None of the Logic synths are anything like Alchemy especially when Alchemy is in its rhythmical mode. There is nothing like it anywhere.  It is in a league of its own.  It also sounds better than most Logic synths which all tend to sound quite similar, except for ESX24 which does have a sound more of its own.  But that is quite old now compared to some of the more modern and interesting modern synths out there.  I have got the ESX24 installed on two computers and still use it quite a lot too. It can sound quite fat and organic in its own way.  Alchemy is wild though.
 
 
2015/01/12 15:01:27
The Maillard Reaction
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