2014/12/05 01:02:17
SuperG
Does anybody besides VSL and Cubases make use if dedicated event busses? Info via google seems to be a bit slim here.
2014/12/05 02:27:50
Milton
Sure hope Sonar X4 is watching Cubase 8 Pro and Protools AAX. I sometimes use Cubase (was my exclusive DAW prior to Sonar) and love its stability and functionality, i.e. Re-Record mode, Chord Track, Chord Pad, and a full score editor (almost). I'm waiting to see if Sonar X4 overhauls it's audio engine and core/thread/RAM performance. Both Cubase and Protools seems to be way ahead of the curve on these elements. Almost bought the Cubase 8 Pro upgrade today just for the fact that Cubase has redone their audio engine to provide more soft synths, plugins, and LOWER latency/buffer settings. Oh please Sonar pay attention to your competitors. Hope X4 is released soon before I jump ship.
 
2014/12/05 12:22:39
MachineClaw
SuperG
Does anybody besides VSL and Cubases make use if dedicated event busses? Info via google seems to be a bit slim here.


ProTools I believe has a form of it.
 
I like Cubase for it's Midi implementation stuff - primarily why I use it.
 
I love Sonar for it's easy and audio recording but when it comes to midi events, piano roll I find other DAWs have better features that are easier and quicker to use.
2014/12/05 16:29:56
Rain
Watching the video in the deleted thread, I noticed that Cubase now had VCA channels. VCA channels are one of the Pro Tools features you only get in the HD version, so I was curious about it.
 
What I couldn't figure out is what purpose they really serve. Judging form that Cubase video, all that they do is make up for the fact that apparently, you cannot apply operations to a bunch of faders by simply selecting those faders and moving one up or down - like one would do in Sonar or Logic.
 
Anyone knows what I'm missing? Is that really just a case of creating an extra set of hoops to jump through to fix a problem resulting of bad design?
2014/12/05 16:33:57
backwoods
I can never figure out what they are talking about either Rain. I think it means the bus fader proportions stay intact or something weird like that. Apparently it's a big deal. I think Sequoia has the same system.
2014/12/05 16:51:05
Milton
Yeah Rain. In Sonar I just select the channels I want to group and either make a group for them or send their outputs to a bus track. Then all of the channels "relative" levels remain, well, relative! I can still go back and re-adjust individual tracks within the group or their individual tracks. So why would someone need a VCA channel in the first place? However, Cubase definitely has improved their audio engine for lower buffer/latency/performance. And features such as , Re-record mode, chord track, and chord pad are awesome. Hope Sonar X4 at least reworks the audio engine like Cubase 8 Pro and Protools AAX has done. My favorite request is for Sonar X4 to implement a "re-record" type of mode. It's uninspiring (gets me out of the groove) to have to stop the transport, undo the last current recording, and press record again in Sonar when I could just hit the record button once and the last take is deleted, the track is rearmed, and the transport begins recording from where you started recording of the last take (I record myself on the guitar and also am the recording engineer). I think half of Cubase is good improvements and the other half is marketing "bait". My 2 cents!
2014/12/05 17:01:10
scook
Someone asked for a re-record script a while back, here is the AutoHotkey script I wrote bound to Windows+R
#r:: send {Space}^zr
someone else wanted a re-record script while loop recording, bound to Windows+T looks like this
#t:: send {Space}^{Home}r
 
2014/12/05 17:22:40
dmbaer
Milton
So why would someone need a VCA channel in the first place?



What we may be overlooking here (I really don't know one way or the other) is that the VCA feature may really come into its own when automation comes into the picture.  If you can automate the fader on individual channels and also automate the fader on the combined channel in a way that one automation doesn't step on the toes of the other, then maybe that's what all the excitement is about?
2014/12/05 17:41:58
Sandmännchen
http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/sep08/articles/vcagroups.htm
2014/12/05 18:13:59
kson
I have to admit, I am intrigued by the Chord features in Cubase.  Admittedly, even as a keyboard/piano player, I don't know everything and have occasional blocks.  I like the fact that I can work out my voicing and get recommendations through the chord assistant.  I'm tempted to dive in for that feature alone.
 
I hope Sonar incorporates this into one of their upcoming iterations along with the mastering suite from Studio One.  Perhaps because I'm grandfathered in, but I can't see using anything but Sonar as my go-to DAW.  I love the UI and the general workflow.  To me, they are one or two feature sets from being my end all.    
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