2014/12/05 18:25:48
Rain
Sandmännchen
http://www.soundonsound.c...articles/vcagroups.htm



Yup, just read that one. Honestly, I can't seem to warp my brain around it or figure out how I would use it. Maybe it's because I'm not confroted to the actual shortcomings which make it desirable.
 
It seems to me like it's a port from the hardware paradigm which essentially has no reason to exist in the software world UNLESS the software mimics the shortcomings of hardware - which is something both Steinberg and Avid do every now and then (remember having to route tracks to audio channels to record and play back audio, in Cubase?).
 
My main  DAW allows me to slave any fader to any other fader - or to create a dummy fader with no in and out and use it as a lead fader, though I don't see why I'd go through the extra steps. Maybe after I spend some more time in PT, I'll get what this is all about. I can already see how grouping is unnecessarily complex and rigid, though.
 
 
 
 
2014/12/05 18:29:49
vintagevibe
GIM Productions
Hi all,maybe it's out of contest but i never understood the popularity of that Daw.
i have just read many happy customers for the "new" features that our dear Daw for a long time....
More care in the Sonar marketing and could be the industry standard daw.....
Again.....i don't understand
No offence.......
Greetings

 
 
You really need a more detailed knowledge of various features to understand why this is true but this is how I would answer the question...
 
Sonar was ahead in dockable windows and is still ahead in it's Melodyne integration.  Cubase 8 catches up with windowing and bounce in place but Melodyne integration is nice.  Cubase, however, is in another league altogether in MIDI and Notation.  Sonar is years behind in MIDI.  Just one of many examples:  MIDI Sends.. brilliant!   Cubase has the absolute best (IMO) DAW scoring tools on the market.  Cakewalk doesn't consider notation important at all.*  If you use a lot of MIDI and/or sample libraries Cubase has no match IMO.   Also tight integration with Steinberg interfaces and Yamaha keyboards is unmatched in the industry.  I can program my Yamaha MOXF as a VST inside Cubase.  My UR44 interface appears inside Cubase as well and, of course, both save settings with the Cubase file.  It's what everyone hoped would come out of the Roland/Cakewalk era.
 
*That's judging from their total inattention to it.  I suspect the real reason might be that they neglected it so long that they are afraid to dig that deep now.  Just a guess.
2014/12/05 18:41:02
stevec
vintagevibe
...Cubase, however, is in another league altogether in MIDI and Notation.  Sonar is years behind in MIDI.  Just one of many examples:  MIDI Sends.. brilliant



I really have no interest in Cubase, even for the Chord thingy...   but MIDI sends?   Yeah, I would be all over that!!
 
2014/12/05 19:01:44
johnnyV
And best of all. Cubase does proper Wave editing in the same way Wave Lab works.. 
2014/12/05 21:41:12
Milton
Thanks scook. I don't understand how to set up the script you wrote ("#r:: send {Space}^zr"), (I'm just a simple musician and not very techy). Would you please instruct me? (and I'm sure a lot of Sonar users would appreciate this as well) Sure would be great if I could only press one qwerty keyboard key to stop recording, delete the unwanted take, re-arm the track, and have the transport start to record again from where I started recording the 1st take, all in one press of one key. Thanks, Milton. 
2014/12/05 22:22:03
scook
1) Download and install AutoHotkey. The 64bit default location is "C:\Program Files\AutoHotKey"
2) Run AutoHotkey.exe (It may launch automatically I do not remember if it does)
3) There will be in your notification area
4) Right-click the to get this popup menu
5) Select "Edit This Script"
6) The default autohotkey script is loaded into notepad.
7) Add the two lines
#r:: send {Space}^zr
#t:: send {Space}^{Home}r
to bind the Windows+R and Windows+T key combinations to those two functions
8) Save the file
9) Right-click the again and select "Reload This Script" to make the two scripts active.
 
Anytime AutoHotkey is running and those key combinations are hit, the keystrokes will be sent.
 
AutoHotkey can be run automatically at boot up by adding a shortcut to "C:\Program Files\AutoHotKey\AutoHotkey.exe" into "yourUserDirectory\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\Programs\Startup"
 
2014/12/05 22:40:12
Primetime
kson
I have to admit, I am intrigued by the Chord features in Cubase.  Admittedly, even as a keyboard/piano player, I don't know everything and have occasional blocks.  I like the fact that I can work out my voicing and get recommendations through the chord assistant.  I'm tempted to dive in for that feature alone.
 
I hope Sonar incorporates this into one of their upcoming iterations along with the mastering suite from Studio One.  Perhaps because I'm grandfathered in, but I can't see using anything but Sonar as my go-to DAW.  I love the UI and the general workflow.  To me, they are one or two feature sets from being my end all.    


+1 for the mastering suite
2014/12/05 22:42:57
backwoods
Cubase doesn't have a mastering suite and Neither does Studio One to the standard of Wavelab.
 
But it would be nice to have I must admit.
2014/12/05 22:45:15
Anderton
Milton
My favorite request is for Sonar X4 to implement a "re-record" type of mode. It's uninspiring (gets me out of the groove) to have to stop the transport, undo the last current recording, and press record again in Sonar when I could just hit the record button once and the last take is deleted, the track is rearmed, and the transport begins recording from where you started recording of the last take



Why not just use comp recording? The only difference is you would need to press stop before hitting record, but you could use AutoHotKey to create a macro that does that with one keypress. You could either restart at the beginning of the take, or where you left off if under Track View options, you de-select "On Stop, Rewind to Now Marker."
 
This won't delete tracks automatically, but previous tracks are muted so they won't interrupt your groove. You can delete the older tracks after you've finished laying down your part, or just let them sit there and delete them before you shut down the session.
 
2014/12/05 22:55:43
swamptooth
Rain
What I couldn't figure out is what purpose they really serve. Judging form that Cubase video, all that they do is make up for the fact that apparently, you cannot apply operations to a bunch of faders by simply selecting those faders and moving one up or down - like one would do in Sonar or Logic.

 
You actually can in cubase 7x - select faders and quick group them.  The difference is vca faders move in a logarithmic  fashion based on db spread as opposed to linearly as in cubase quick groups or sonar grouping.
It's relative balance vs. absolute balance.
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