Neither rain or modbod did anything wrong. This forum is is specifically for non-cakewalk products. It's Larry's "I'm gone but will take cowardly potshots in random threads" silliness I was addressing. It's a total **** move.

dubdisciple
Neither rain or modbod did anything wrong. This forum is is specifically for non-cakewalk products. It's Larry's "I'm gone but will take cowardly potshots in random threads" silliness I was addressing. It's a total **** move.

Yup - no worries, I totally got that. It was the  "....and write about it on the Cakewalk forum." comment posted earlier that made me react.

This gets kicked about a bit. Brandon Ryan was totally against other daws being discussed. Yes, I know, he is gone now. I just found modbods comment very strange and passed comment.

Would it be OK To start up multiple Logic support threads in this part of the forum? Maybe I should have started a thread in forum discussion except I wouldn't because it might hurt poor little rain's feelings :)
 
edit: in retrospect I should have just ignored it. 

backwoods
It might hurt poor little rain's feelings :)

 
Don't care about you personally or what you think, pal. All I know is that taking shots at fellow forums members and making discourteous remark puts you in a pretty bad spot to comment on anyones behaviour on this forum.
 
 
If reading my post annoys you, speak to a mod or host. If you prefer to ****, at least do yourself the favour of owning it and don't try to use an ex-employee's alleged opinions to justify your derogatory remarks. 
 
Seriously, the Forum software would have been the proper place to address your concerns. Go ahead and be my guest if you want to formally address the issue you seem to have over there. 
 

I'm a host, I'm reading this, and can read that the description of this thread is "Discussion focused on non-Cakewalk music software." I think it's important to differentiate between people who use Cakewalk and other software, and those who don't use Cakewalk software. If someone has nothing to do with Cakewalk software and comes into Cakewalk forums to discuss other software, at best that seems peculiar, and at worst, downright rude.
 
However, there are plenty of people who believe in "the right tool for the right job." Just because SONAR is the right tool for me most of the time doesn't preclude using other software. I just finished mastering an album in a combination of Wavelab, Sound Forge, and yes, SONAR because it could do things the others didn't do very efficiently. Then I assembled it in Studio One Pro, which has replaced CD Architect in my toolbox. All of those programs are of interest to me. For live performance, it's Ableton Live for the DJ-type stuff and SONAR when hosting hex processing for live guitar. For pureplay DJ applications, it's Traktor but I use Ableton Live and SONAR to prep songs for compatibility with Traktor. All the loops I assemble for use in Live are created in SONAR. Reason loves to be rewired into SONAR, and I can't create REX files without ReCycle. And sometimes I have to track in Pro Tools but that doesn't prevent me from transferring the WAV files to SONAR so I can mix in an environment I prefer. And Mixcraft is a fine needledrop music generator because they include so much content...
 
What I absolutely refuse to get into is adopting some attitude that because I use some particular program, I'm better or know more than people who don't. Yes, SONAR is by far the program that gets the most use in my studio, but the other ones have valid purposes...I don't play just one guitar, either.
 
And think of it from Cakewalk's perspective: I have just about every DAW in the universe installed on either my Windows or Mac computers, yet SONAR is my first choice. The fact that I am conversant with all these programs, and could run a session on any of them, means that I use SONAR not because I don't know anything else but because I know exactly what it offers compared to everything else out there.
 
All I can say with certainty is that SONAR meets my needs best. Period. Other programs fit other peoples' needs...if you want to do 4-point broadcast edits, then you'd better pony up the money for Sequoia because nothing else really does the job. But I don't have to do 4-point broadcast edits. 
 
It's also good to know what's in other programs because often, there are some good ideas in them that, with a little thought, can be implemented in SONAR (like varispeed). And I thought Dave's opening comment was a lot more about the fad du jour than any kind of plug for Samplitude or slam on SONAR. 
 
It's all good. The bottom line is that SONAR is doing very well and picking up a lot of new users, so people are voting with their wallets...and those votes are much more meaningful than the votes in the "vote for your favorite DAW!!" polls. In my experience, the folks at Cakewalk are more challenged by competition than afraid of it - and I can say that for several other software companies as well. Most of these companies have genuine respect for each other, because they know how difficult it is to pull off making products like this.

As a host I am going to watch this thread only to make sure no one crosses the line and attacks anyone. So far things have been just mildly fractious. Turn down the volume a little if you all want to keep this an open thread.
 
As a member I like Rain and his posts. They are informative and well written. Modbod is an old friend. He goes back a long way and as far as I am concerned he will always be very welcomed here or on any forum he chooses to be on.
 
To the larger issue.  It is clear this is the right place to post information about software that is not developed by CW.
 
Modbod has done nothing wrong nor has Rain.  
 
 

Gawd, I love a good slobber-knocker of a thread! 

Just FYI, though I don't use Sonar right now, I had used it for years. I bought Overloud's Mark Studio based on a review in this forum and love it. Then I saw a ridiculously low price on another Overloud package in the Cakewalk store and bought that. I probably wouldn't have known about it if I didn't scan this forum. So, there is some value for Cakewalk in attracting non-Sonar users here.

Very interesting responses. Personally, I don't think people who don't even use Sonar should be allowed to discuss other DAWs here. It is a little different for ModBod because he does actually own the program. I have discussed Ableton and Nuendo on these forums myself because I have owned them at previous times (Still own and use Ableton). 
 

ORIGINAL: Greg Hendershott [Cakewalk]

Hi, Jason.

About this thread:

I don't mind people talking about competitive products on our forums. Obviously it happens all the time here. But this thread is turning into discussing detailed feature wish lists for Reaper. Would you all mind taking this elsewhere? I'd appreciate that.

By the way, I started Cakewalk as one guy with $4,000 of friends and family financing. I wrote the code, I packed boxes, I did tech support on the phone. I somehow sold enough to keep going, and it slowly grew over the years. I enjoyed those early days when it was just me writing the code. So I think I understand what you're doing, and why, because I did it all myself almost 20 years ago. It's a lot of fun, and I wish you luck pursuing it as long as it's still fun for you.

Again good luck, and I'll look forward to reading more of your thoughts ... elsewhere. :-)

Thanks.

Cheers,

Greg Hendershott
Founder & CEO
Cakewalk



Whoa.

Let me set something straight. My name is Jason Brian Merrill, the same as my nick -- 

I AM NOT THE DEVELOPER OR AM CONNECTED WITH REAPER IN ANY SENSE

I am a user of Reaper. Formerly of Samplitude 8.31

Justin Frankel ( i think thats it ) is the main coder, along with a couple of other ppl. I am just someone who has contributed to *some* ideas and thoughts regarding it. 

I came here talking about Reaper in response to some interest and erroneous thoughts regarding it. IMMEDITATELY i posted links to more relevant places to discuss it. If the regulars here cant help but continue to discuss/criticize, that ISNT my problem.

Anyway, I have withheld my comments regarding sonar (a host i have tried) and have not criticized anyone here... 

and the last thing i did was ask a question regarding sonars handling of tempo changes.

-- regards

Jason

backwoods
Personally, I don't think people who don't even use Sonar should be allowed to discuss other DAWs here. It is a little different for ModBod because he does actually own the program.

Okay, so that leaves me. Good! :)
 
The good thing is that your personal opinion is 100% irrelevant - no matter which former employee or CEO you quote.
 
All the quotes one needs to care for are in this very thread, as the mods have made themselves clear.
 
From there on, the one participant in this thread who's abusing their privilege is yourself. You've been hinted to that effect by those same mods. 
 
Furthermore, there's actually a forum created especially to debate such a point. But you keep hijacking this thread.
 
There isn't even a debate. Not only is this forum is open to all, but I'm actually a registered customer.
 
You don't like it, it's too bad for you.