2014/11/16 15:53:43
sharke
At this point I think he has a serious case of narcissism. Nobody's opinion or experience or knowledge matters, just his own thoughts. And now he's talking about the possibility of harming others. Based on what he just wrote, I would seriously think about alerting the authorities.
2014/11/16 15:57:13
bapu
sharke
At this point I think he has a serious case of narcissism. Nobody's opinion or experience or knowledge matters, just his own thoughts. And now he's talking about the possibility of harming others. Based on what he just wrote, I would seriously think about alerting the authorities.

But he recants harm to him/herself or others at the end of that post.
2014/11/16 16:01:13
sharke
He might well recant it, but he's entertaining those thoughts. Not to mention Adolf Hitler. DING DONG! There's your alarm bell right there.
 
 
2014/11/16 16:14:39
paulo

2014/11/16 16:21:28
Rain
sharke
 I don't think I've ever met anyone who was both introspective and happy. 
 



Hi, my name is Krist. Nice to meet you. :)
 
I totally get what you mean though.
 
I've always been subject to depression and the darkest imaginable moods. BUT, they never last. And the reason they don't is that I quickly reach a point where I get so fascinated with those feelings and my reaction to them that they become an impersonal thing. The focus shifts away from me. Pain dulls and fades as I become absorbed trying to understand the feelings.
 
As far as I'm concerned, self-loathing leads to disregard for oneself and their hurt feelings, anyway. 
 
That and moving. So move. Hit the gym or run a few miles. Go out and help feed the homeless or distribute clothes to veterans. Animal shelter are always looking for volunteers. 
 
And if that seems impossible, get help. The slightest chemical imbalance can destroy your life, there's no shame in having such a possibility investigated. 
 
 
2014/11/16 16:31:08
ZeldaAdmirer
I should also say something else very important here which is that Hitler would only be superior for having pleasure and also only if he killed off the types of people I mentioned here.  But aside from his pleasure, Hitler would not be anyone superior for having killed genuinely innocent and compassionate people.  However, he would be superior for wanting power and control in his life.  Therefore, there are 3 parallel aspects of Hitler that define his personal value and worth as a human being:  1.) His amount of pleasure in life 2.) The fact that he killed innocent people which made him a bad person in one sense 3.) The fact that he lived his life wanting and having power and control in his life which made him superior in another sense.  So you might then be asking between #2 and #3 as to whether he would be considered a superior or inferior person.  The answer to that would be that you can look at it either way.  But like I said, pleasure is what really defines your personal value and worth as a human being and all other things in life such as who you are as a person are all neutral (neither good or bad).  The reason why I say that Hitler would either be a good or bad person anyway is simply because this is how I would feel when the fact of the matter is that all those other things in life besides your own pleasure and suffering are all neutral.
2014/11/16 16:41:13
sharke
Shut up about Hitler. Shut up about yourself. Why not addres the points other people have made here? You don't. You just keep babbling this self psychoanalysis which everyone here knows is the problem. You are so wrapped up in yourself it's inreal. All this "I know I will never experience happiness" BS is just attention seeking drama.

ATTENTION SEEKING DRAMA.

You're not the only one who's prone to it. But that doesn't make it any better.

Rain is right, you need to get out there and help others. Even if it's cats. This will shift the focus away from yourself (finally!) and help make you realize that there's a lot more to life than your excruciating self-analysis.
2014/11/16 16:49:05
Rain
ZeldaAdmirer
I should also say something else very important here which is that Hitler would only be superior for having pleasure and also only if he killed off the types of people I mentioned here.  But aside from his pleasure, Hitler would not be anyone superior for having killed genuinely innocent and compassionate people.  However, he would be superior for wanting power and control in his life.  Therefore, there are 3 parallel aspects of Hitler that define his personal value and worth as a human being:  1.) His amount of pleasure in life 2.) The fact that he killed innocent people which made him a bad person in one sense 3.) The fact that he lived his life wanting and having power and control in his life which made him superior in another sense.  So you might then be asking between #2 and #3 as to whether he would be considered a superior or inferior person.  The answer to that would be that you can look at it either way.  But like I said, pleasure is what really defines your personal value and worth as a human being and all other things in life such as who you are as a person are all neutral (neither good or bad).  The reason why I say that Hitler would either be a good or bad person anyway is simply because this is how I would feel when the fact of the matter is that all those other things in life besides your own pleasure and suffering are all neutral.




 
If you think you're educating us, it's pointless.
Brilliant philosophers and psychologists have been writing books dealing with those concepts for centuries.
I'm guessing that you've been reading some of those...
As did many here.
It's not news anymore.
 
Intellectual masturbation is fine, so long as we don't use this forum as a kleenex.
 
 
 
 
 
2014/11/16 16:53:39
ZeldaAdmirer
sharke
Shut up about Hitler. Shut up about yourself. Why not addres the points other people have made here? You don't. You just keep babbling this self psychoanalysis which everyone here knows is the problem. You are so wrapped up in yourself it's inreal. All this "I know I will never experience happiness" BS is just attention seeking drama.

ATTENTION SEEKING DRAMA.

You're not the only one who's prone to it. But that doesn't make it any better.

Rain is right, you need to get out there and help others. Even if it's cats. This will shift the focus away from yourself (finally!) and help make you realize that there's a lot more to life than your excruciating self-analysis.



That was my final point I just wanted to make here.  No need to take any offense to it.  All our personal values are subjective in life anyway and hold true only for ourselves and are not objectively true.  Yes, others do matter from my perspective and I am already helping others in addition to talking out my issues here.  And even if I didn't help and care for others anyway, the opinion of others would not make me a good or bad person since it is only their own perspectives.  I am only in my own mind and not in the minds of others.  Therefore, only my own personal value attributed to me holds true for me and the opinions of others (whether they be positive or negative) can never be somehow magically projected onto me and make me that person since it is not scientifically possible to do so.  Again, same thing with my pleasure in that only my own pleasure matters and makes me a good person since pleasure is the only thing that defines "good."  I can live my life valuing the pleasure of others.  But all thoughts and personal meanings we create in life are all neutral.  Therefore, even my own value towards the pleasure of others is neutral even if I were to tell myself the message such as that "At least I have given others pleasure because it is good for them despite my own absence of pleasure."  I am not in the minds of those other people and cannot experience their pleasure.  Therefore, it is only my own pleasure that is good.  Even if it were pleasure that is obtained from either witnessing others experiencing pleasure or even me obtaining pleasure from harming others.  Even if I were somehow a psychopath right now who obtains pleasure from harming others, I would still be a good person since my own pleasure is the only thing that defines me and my life as being good.
2014/11/16 17:01:16
sharke
"Even if I were somehow a psychopath right now who obtains pleasure from harming others, I would still be a good person since my own pleasure is the only thing that defines me and my life as being good." -- pointless philosophical wankery which will ultimately have no bearing on whether or not you enjoy your life. Put whatever pretentious philosophy books you've been reading back on the shelf and never touch them again. They are turning your mind to mush.
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