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2014/10/26 15:56:00
bayoubill
That reminds me. When I was playing high school football I think I received 2 concussions in a game. I remember being taken to the side lines by someone. My head hurt. Coach put me right back in.  The next hit I received is kinda foggy and all I remember is asking my grandma what was for supper.  
 
2014/10/26 16:43:55
dubdisciple
bayou..things have changed.  i recall playing with cracked ribs once.  Not sure if that stuff made us tougher, dumber or both.
2014/10/26 18:23:42
jbow
bayoubill
I would guess because you lean towards distrust of government in general
 
 
So many agendas,so little time


Since it is legal for the government to lie to us and all the agencies, directors, spokes people, etc seem to make a habit of it, no matter the agency... CDC included, it is hard to trust them. Then again, I'm sure they know what is best for us.
 
J
2014/10/26 19:30:26
dubdisciple
I had hoped bad attempts at humor would keep this from becoming political.  I don't trust anybody.  Hell, my kids might kill me in my sleep (jk..they love me..I think).  My lack of worry about Ebola is not about trusting the CDC or government.  It's about science. Ebola's deadly nature is exactly what makes it less likely spread in the way that historically deadly plagues have. Obviously it sucks for the relatively few people who do die, in the same way that it sucks when people slip in tubs and die, but all of us have a better statistical chance of neing struck by lightning twice than getting Ebola.  I'm playing Plague inc now and waiting for the CDC to ask my advice since I managed to infect and destroy the world within a year without anyone being aware there was a disease!!! Benign parasite that is so mild nobody bothers eve ngoing to the doctor that I mutated practically overnight to cause massive organ hemorrhaging  and failure.  7 billion dead within weeks!! I mock Ebola!!
2014/10/26 19:35:03
backwoods
I'm more worried about antibiotic resistance than ebola. 
 
But Africans don't fly around the place like Americans so Ebola has that going for it if it somehow got introduced to polite american society :)
 
disclaimer: I have never played Plague Inc.
2014/10/26 19:47:12
dubdisciple
backwoods
I'm more worried about antibiotic resistance than ebola. 
 
But Africans don't fly around the place like Americans so Ebola has that going for it if it somehow got introduced to polite american society :)
 
disclaimer: I have never played Plague Inc.


LOL  Every time i tried to simulate Ebola West and Central Africa got annihilated with scattered deaths around the world. Cure is always found within two years. I think the developer is trying to tell us something about Canadians because many times when I have had a truly pandemic disease, Canada took the step of bombing their own cities to kill the infected. We have some hardcore neighbors to the north!
2014/10/26 23:36:36
Mosvalve
jbow
bayoubill
I would guess because you lean towards distrust of government in general
 
 
So many agendas,so little time


Since it is legal for the government to lie to us and all the agencies, directors, spokes people, etc seem to make a habit of it, no matter the agency... CDC included, it is hard to trust them. Then again, I'm sure they know what is best for us.
 
J


The head of the CDC is not lying when he say's it's hard to catch Ebola because he said this and I quote, " You can't catch Ebola on a bus you can only give it" Ok enough said.
2014/10/27 00:13:23
sharke
Obama made the following statement a couple of weeks ago: "Ebola is not spread through the air like the flu.."
 
But on the CDC's own website: http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/transmission/qas.html
 
"Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease."
 
But coughing and sneezing don't have to be symptoms of Ebola for someone with Ebola to cough or sneeze on you. People get things stuck in their throat which tickle; they breathe in dust which makes them sneeze. 
 
Opinion seems to vary about whether or not you can contract it from sweat, although the W.H.O. says you can. It certainly seems to be able to survive on dry surfaces for a few hours. So you could have a scenario whereby a carrier experiences the onset of symptoms but, figuring they just have the flu, decided to go to work anyway. They wrap up in warm winter clothing and get on the subway, where they immediately start to sweat (I know I do with my winter clothing on). They wipe their sweaty brow with their hand and touch a subway pole. There's your virus, right there on the pole. Some unsuspecting straphanger touches the pole after them, then scratches the corner of their eye. Boom. 
 
This is the kind of scenario which will spread the disease quite quickly if a critical number of people contract it. The danger is that it'll start spreading to unsuspecting people who have no idea they've been in contact with an Ebola carrier. It's one thing to see it spread among the people who have been knowingly in contact with a carrier (like the girlfriend of Dr. Spencer, and those who treat him). Those kinds of cases can be tracked and contained. But if it starts spreading among people who really have no idea they're at risk of having it, you'll have people getting onto public transport with the onset of symptoms because they think it's just a regular bout of cold or flu. Of course by the time they realize it's more serious than that, the damage has already been done. That's why it's so important to contain a virus like this and why Dr. Spencer was so irresponsible. 
2014/10/27 00:51:30
Vastman
Oh, boy have you guys raised an issue....This is far more complex and deep than the MassMedia is playing at and the utter STUPID prison planet fools are spewing about... and Sharke, your NYC problem is just the tip of many icebergs... while we may get this under control, it doesn't look good...
 
I deal extensively in climate change, collapse, and other long range planetary scenarios...have been an infomaniac/futurist my entire life...I know lots of heavies in the field and spent most of my early life running long range scenarios for the Office of Special Programs in GAO. I chuckle at the "conspiracies" and other simplistic (although often true but irrelevent) boiling down of huge issues into little bits of stupid ranting.  Humans are a very flawed species... and, while it may seem harsh to all of us living in our little "bubbles", ebola may just whittle down the population to a level where planetary survival is possible.  We don't have an effective system to contain this; too busy cutting budgets to bail out the rich, all of whom are at risk.  And your call for quarantine is typically ignorant human hysteria...OReilly?  OMG!
 
Might want to give these two links a perusal...They're the best REAL thinking I've seen on this situation and you won't hear it on cable/network mush...
 
http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2014/10/ebola-and-five-stages-of-collapse.html This is chilling and not a bunch of stupid "government plot" crappola ala Alex Jones garbage...Dmitri nails what may very likely to evolve. 
 
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-buffalo-wind.html?m=1 This is an eloquent post by
John Michael Greer, a deep and prescient thinker in these trying times...while Dmitry is wham bam thank you mam, jmg is truly magical... He will walk you through the trajectory we are on, both the efforts to save parts of the eaarth and the avalanche we are bumbling towards...
"... the current shudderings of the economy, the imminent risk of pandemic, and the distant sound of buffalo bellowing in the Montana wind are omens. The Buffalo Wind is rising now, keening in the tall grass, whispering in the branches and setting fallen leaves aswirl. I could be mistaken, but I think that not too far in the future it will become a storm that will shake the industrial world right down to its foundations." This on top of a rapidly eroding planetary climate system... which anyone who spends a moment digesting any of this: http://www.ecoshock.info/ and the associate links/podcasts on endless tipping points we are cascading over... Being an infomaniac these days is very challenging....creating edible gardens bonds me to eaarth... being a songwriter keeps me both sane and in tears...   
2014/10/27 02:20:16
backwoods
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