tom1

Kalle Rantaaho
What is unclear to me is, what happens if I stop paying the subscription fees? Does the program stop working after a while or what? If I can continue with current version normally, then it's not that terrible, unless I, say, lose the  upgrade price option. 
If, however, I'm tied to pay as long as I want to be able to use the projects I've created, then it's next to criminal.
That would make switching to another DAW quite expensive, too, if you must keep paying just because you may need the projects in the future. Also, many of you have several DAWs installed. If they all use subscription-mode, the total cost for the ones you use only occasionally, can get relatively high.

The way I understand it:
You will not have the software on your computer. Your computer will only be a gateway to the subscription's server. That server will carry the software. Without connection to that server you will not be able to work on your project.
The positive view:
IfI understand correctly, one could get by with a low end computer and be able to hook-up to the subscription's server and use their high end computer. The subscriber will not have to worry about updating drivers, new versions, new operating systems.
There are some interesting posibilities here. Of course, it would be nice to have the choice of subscription or hard copy but it wasn't so with Adobe. I was told I have the last version of Photoshop that will be available for purchase. Future versions will only be available via subscription.

That is not quite right. The software is on your computer. You just need to sign in to cloud server at least once every thirty days or the product goes into demo mode for 30 days and then deactivates. This is part of the reason illegal versions still exist.

SteveStrummerUK
 
@ Mike
 
Would you mind being a little less vague and try to be a bit more concise?
 
Are you trying to say you wouldn't move to a subscription model

LOL....I did try.
 
 

dubdisciple

tom1

Kalle Rantaaho
What is unclear to me is, what happens if I stop paying the subscription fees? Does the program stop working after a while or what? If I can continue with current version normally, then it's not that terrible, unless I, say, lose the  upgrade price option. 
If, however, I'm tied to pay as long as I want to be able to use the projects I've created, then it's next to criminal.
That would make switching to another DAW quite expensive, too, if you must keep paying just because you may need the projects in the future. Also, many of you have several DAWs installed. If they all use subscription-mode, the total cost for the ones you use only occasionally, can get relatively high.

The way I understand it:
You will not have the software on your computer. Your computer will only be a gateway to the subscription's server. That server will carry the software. Without connection to that server you will not be able to work on your project.
The positive view:
IfI understand correctly, one could get by with a low end computer and be able to hook-up to the subscription's server and use their high end computer. The subscriber will not have to worry about updating drivers, new versions, new operating systems.
There are some interesting posibilities here. Of course, it would be nice to have the choice of subscription or hard copy but it wasn't so with Adobe. I was told I have the last version of Photoshop that will be available for purchase. Future versions will only be available via subscription.

That is not quite right. The software is on your computer. You just need to sign in to cloud server at least once every thirty days or the product goes into demo mode for 30 days and then deactivates. This is part of the reason illegal versions still exist.

 
I was talking about the year 2050         :)
 
Thanks for clarifying.

I'm on Adobe subscription now and you're correct.

I guess I was thinking down the road; Way down the road. :)
Something like Wordpress, where the software is actually on your server's computer; and your computer is basically a gateway. 
 

I am not keen on the subscription model because at some point, either due to a change in my circumstances or a price hike I may no be able to afford the fee. With the current system one could at least keep the old version running as long as the hardware held out.
 
That said I recently took out the Adobe Photography Plan as I needed to upgrade Lightroom to read the RAW files from my new camera. But Adobe have a much more commanding position in the photography software market that Cakewalk has in the DAW market, Adobe users more or less have had to grin and bare it but there are a lot of other DAWs on the market.

Being a musician means I an poor. Very poor. No money for subscriptions from me

Tom..I'm sure a true 100% cloud model is very desirable for software vendors. Easier to control piracy if software never resides on machine. It would probably require a very big brother type world where everyone was connected to a web so fast that latency was almost non-existent.

Thanks for the clarification. That sounds really bad.
Say,  I happen to have some extra money to buy a software today. I install, register and use it also in the future when I'm flat broke. I can't afford to upgrade, but I can go on as usual.
The subsciption method can be a really nasty trap, if you have  several such softwares on your machine.
Especially when we're talking about students,  the unemployed and the likes who can be really, really short of money every now and then.
I upgraded to 8.5 a few years ago and I have hardly spent a dime on software since. If subscription was the only way to get SONAR today, I'd move to Reaper immediately. I can't imagine they'd lower the real price so dramatically, that I could be talked into it.
Also, monthly (or yearly) subscription fees with all that credit card data exchange would increase the risk of other sort of unwanted incidents.

FYI, the Adobe model does allow typical multiple computer usage . For example, I could have Premiere Pro on my laptop and desktop or even on a mac and pc. The standard "as long as you are not using simultaneously" conditions apply. Some of the pluses for Adobe's model despite my overall dislike but begrudging usage, are:

Bug fixes come quicker. When a major issue accompanies an update the fix usually comes within days

There is still a major update at least once a year but .5 type updates come more frequently even if it's not for every product.

If you are a multimedia guy like myself that does sound, video, photography, vfx, motion graphics, etc, the overall cost of upgrading would be absurdly expensive since I would have to get the master suite which was like $3000 and upgrades were usually about $1600. Although I used a lot of products, there would still be plenty I did not use. Still a lot I don't use but I'm not paying nearly as much to not use them lol

Also, I have been in the situation where finances caused me to miss a payment. Life happens. Medical expenses etc at an inopportune time caused me to be broke around Adobe collection time. What happened to me was I got an email telling me my software would expire in 30 days and any files I have on cloud server storage would be gone. Also whenever I opened software I got the same nag. It still functions normally so you have 30 days to pay or at least finish project. As drop dead date appraches you will get more warning emails and even calls...because thy care lol...and clarification on what happens if you don't pay. Another FYI, if you are unable to pay by dropdead date it's less sever than you think. They let you know that you can resume at any time. So you could conceivably take a couple months off and pick up with no penalty other than not being able to use for that time.

spacey

SteveStrummerUK
 
@ Mike
 
Would you mind being a little less vague and try to be a bit more concise?
 
Are you trying to say you wouldn't move to a subscription model

LOL....I did try.
 
 

Sorry, but I couldn't resist that - you're a good sport Mike!