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2014/10/29 18:17:46
The Maillard Reaction
I've got FabFilter Timeless Delay... it's the only effect I have that makes me confused... 
 
but I love how many delicate sounds it makes.
2014/10/29 18:31:09
bitflipper
The Sonitus delay remains my first-call delay plugin, even after adding many, many others to my kit over the years - including the amazing (but complicated) Timeless2. Unfortunately the Sonitus still has some bugs that will likely never be resolved, so there are situations where it's just too much trouble to use.
 
This new one looks like it might just have an answer to every objection I've ever raised about a delay plugin. Feature-wise, I don't see anything lacking. It even does ducking, which is the main thing I use Timeless for, and has a few tricks even Timeless doesn't have (e.g. distortion). It doesn't have the sophisticated modulation of Timeless2, or all the filter options, but those don't come into play for 95% of delay applications.
2014/10/30 11:17:16
bitflipper
Well, I've had a couple hours now to get familiar with Boz's Imperial Delay, and I gotta say it's pretty durn slick.
 
300 bucks' worth of slick, dunno yet. That's more than double the list price of FabFilter Timeless2 ($144) and way more than other complex full-featured delays (e.g. U-He MFM2 $79), even higher than the premium classic Echo Boy from SoundToys ($179).
 
Clearly, it's not positioned to compete with the likes of the HorNet delay, but that's not a fair comparison since low-cost delays offer only basic functionality. Imperial Delay is definitely high-end in terms of features. So far, I can list on one finger what I've found to be missing, and that's the ability to type in precise values - not a deal-killer by any means.
 
In terms of ease-of-use and quickness to set up, it's not quite up there with the Sonitus Delay but it's not at all difficult to use. A few knobs aren't immediately obvious, e.g. "Smear" and "Dynamic Feedback" but they're worth the effort to figure out. The most important settings (e.g. sync, tempo, and mode) are clear and simple. I can see this being my go-to delay for when fancy Timeless2-style modulation isn't needed.
 
Hopefully, they'll re-think the price point and put it under a hundred bucks. Leaving it at the introductory price of $59 would be even better, and almost guarantee a hit. At $50, Boz could do for delays was Sean Costello did for reverbs, making it a must-have plugin. Yeh, it's really that good.
 
 
2014/10/30 12:38:40
clintmartin
Hey Bitflipper. I do wish you would try the demo of the Tritik tkdelay. It isn't Fab Filter, but it has plenty of tools. Modulation, Saturation, 2 filter types. I would really value your opinion of it. He seems like a nice guy too. It's $11.79.
http://www.tritik.com/products/tkdelay/
2014/10/30 13:17:38
bitflipper
That one's on my to-do list. I've even downloaded it but just haven't gotten round to unzipping it for a test.
 
[EDIT]
I was unable to install the tritik delay. The DLL is there, but the plugin failed to complete its initialization so all the registry keys aren't there. But it's still beta, so maybe I'll try again after the 1.0 release.
2014/10/30 13:33:59
The Maillard Reaction
bitflipper
300 bucks' worth of slick, dunno yet. 



I got a feeling that $59.00 is going to be the high water mark. :-)
2014/10/31 09:39:10
bitflipper
Been playing with the dynamic feedback and ducking features on Imperial Delay. Love it! I was able to put on a long, long delay that only kicked in as notes were fading out, and did not muddy the lead line itself. Timeless2 can do this, too, but not nearly as easily.
2014/10/31 10:06:06
The Maillard Reaction
Can't you do that with an automation envelope on the output of just about any delay?
2014/10/31 13:17:30
bitflipper
I wouldn't usually do it with automation unless I just needed the effect to appear in a few places.
 
You could do something similar with a sidechained compressor or gate on a 100% wet delay bus. But this particular feature is different from the usual ducking methods you might do in Timeless2 with an envelope follower or envelope generator.
 
In Imperial Delay you have two separate feedback amounts that it fades between, depending on the signal level. I imagine Timeless2 could probably accomplish the same effect by modulating the feedback knob from an envelope follower, but it wouldn't be an easy thing to dial in. 
 
As you can tell, I compare every delay to Timeless2. It's the standard for what's possible with a delay, but it's also the standard for obtuse complexity versus simplicity. Sometimes with Timeless, I get so involved in fiddling with the thing that I forget what it was I was originally trying to accomplish.
2014/11/02 12:56:17
bitflipper
This plugin was really getting beat up over on KVR before the mods shut the thread down. The discussion was all about the high price, and the few posters who commented on the plugin's actual merits were shot down as being off-topic.
 
I'm pretty sure most everybody here will agree with the common sentiment, that no delay plugin is worth $300 in today's market. But I'd like to hear your thoughts.
 
I wrote to the developer, and he told me the same thing he posted in the KVR thread: he's inspired by the Waves model of list high and have periodic sales. The strategy does seem to work for Waves (their tape delay is $250, and that's a current sale price). 
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