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You mean besides sonar? You know the shift click trick to highlight the automation to make it editable over the wave form, right?

I almost never use automation lanes except for copying.

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studio one lets you choose lane or overlay, though overlay only shows one at a time
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Reaper has got an option to do this. So you can either have them in separate lanes (which still show the waveforms btw, just somewhat "grayed out") or you can show all envelopes in the main track. You can set this on a per-track basis  and (if you want to) assign a shortcut to it to toggle between the 2 modes.

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The only DAW I ever seriously considered jumping over to was Studio One, and it was primarily because of the automation, which I thought was well-conceived. Ultimately, I decided there were too many other quirks that I didn't like about that DAW, and stuck with SONAR.
 
SONAR 8.5, that is. That's where I remain today, and it's almost entirely because of automation. I'd love to get back onboard, but I won't until they do something about automation editing. I'd come back if they provided an option for 8.5-style editing and added some genuine improvements such as envelope scaling, envelope inversion and proper cut-and-paste features.

bitflipper
The only DAW I ever seriously considered jumping over to was Studio One, and it was primarily because of the automation, which I thought was well-conceived. Ultimately, I decided there were too many other quirks that I didn't like about that DAW, and stuck with SONAR.
 
SONAR 8.5, that is. That's where I remain today, and it's almost entirely because of automation. I'd love to get back onboard, but I won't until they do something about automation editing. I'd come back if they provided an option for 8.5-style editing and added some genuine improvements such as envelope scaling, envelope inversion and proper cut-and-paste features.

this is almost exactly me, though i now use s1 more than s85, mostly because of medoldyne/ara and vst3 support, but combined with my pathological hared of the x-series gui...
i'd be interested to know what quirks kept you off s1/on 85?
 

At the time I was experimenting with Studio One, it lacked a number of essential features, the most glaring being the inability to freeze tracks. It also lacked track folders, IIRC. Those limitations are now gone, though. Mostly I didn't like that I couldn't have separate MIDI and audio tracks for software instruments, and multi-output instruments were klunky. I missed instrument definition files for my external synths, and never found an event list type screen for detailed MIDI data editing. I'm not sure if version 1 had PDC, it may not have. I didn't care for the PRV, which seemed to assume you want every note quantized and of fixed duration.
 
This was before they added Melodyne, so that wasn't a factor at the time. But then I've had full Melodyne for years so it's still not a major selling point for either Studio One or SONAR X3.
 
I'm sure if I'd stuck it out and molded my brain to the Presonus way of thinking it's quite possible I'd be a happy S1 user today. They've certainly made great strides since then.
 
However, any time I look at other DAWs I remind myself that SONAR 8.5 literally does everything I need a DAW to do. It lacks no essential features. Most important, I know it so well that I never have to think about the DAW itself, which is how it should be.

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