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  • Quick question for Craig, Krist and anyone else who's listened to Redeemer Of Souls...
2014/10/07 11:43:08
SteveStrummerUK
 
 
I've listened to this album about 20 times now, through the old Pioneer speakers, through my monitors, with headphones, and in the motor. I'm getting to that stage when I can hum all the songs by memory and remember roughly what order they're in.
 
But something is bugging me, and I thought I'd check it out with you guys.
 
Tell me, is it my hearing, or even my imagination, but throughout this album, do Glenn's solo parts seem much lower in the mix than Richie's?
 
I've discounted the fact that Glenn's rig is generally much less 'trebly' than Richie's - as indeed was the case with KK as well - but I've never noticed that being a problem in the past.
 
Some of his solos just seem lost in there at times.
 
 
 
 
2014/10/07 14:54:22
Rain
I'll have to check it out more carefully - I haven't been redeemed just as much as you just yet.
2014/10/07 15:38:38
craigb
I've been on such a new music binge that I listened to the album probably four times in a row then moved on to more new stuff.  I'll have to check it out again as well!
2014/10/07 22:55:03
craigb
Bah. 
 
My nice 2.1 PC speaker system died last week and my stereo-type stuff is already packed for my move so I'm using a couple of crappy speakers and EVERYTHING sounds lame.
 
I'll check this out next week after I have something decent to play it through.
2014/10/07 23:27:32
Jeff Evans
Hey Steve I checked this out for you and you are right in what you are hearing. One of the lead guitars is definitely lower than the other.  Not sure why.  If it was me I would probably have mixed it higher and made it cut through a little more.  Someone just got this slightly wrong I feel. Great album though.
 
Different genre but on the latest 'The Pedro Martínez Group' CD the piano is just a tad too low. Right through the whole CD. And I mean only slightly low like 3dB or so. Someone got this wrong too. It is all recorded so beautifully and perfectly mixed except the piano part. Just a little soft. My opinion of course but my son has picked it up as well. The piano sits under the music a lot and when in a supportive role it is like OK but it also solos all over the place but no-one has turned it up just that little bit extra. Pity because it sort of spoils it.
 
Maybe this is the recording engineer coming out of us now and it is hard to let go.
2014/10/08 12:50:11
SteveStrummerUK
 
Here's an example of what I'm hearing.
 
First part of the solo starts at 2:25 and is by Richie Faulkner (panned left), Glenn Tipton's part follows at 2:49 and is panned right:
 

 
 
PS: Interesting stuff Jeff!
2014/10/08 12:58:17
jamesg1213
Listening to that Steve, I reckon it's tone as well as volume, Tipton's sound is quite 'boxy' and mid-rangey compared to the other guy, and sinks into the mix.
2014/10/08 13:42:38
SteveStrummerUK
jamesg1213
Listening to that Steve, I reckon it's tone as well as volume, Tipton's sound is quite 'boxy' and mid-rangey compared to the other guy, and sinks into the mix.


 
Yeah, it's probably more down to this than I'd assumed.
 
Mind you, Tipton has always been heavily involved in the mixing and producing, maybe he's just modest
 
 
2014/10/08 14:06:34
Leadfoot
I'm hearing it too Steve. Weird... And not to derail the thread, but it still seems so foreign to me not to see K.K. Downing's name next to Glenn Tipton's. Richie is a great guitar player though.
2014/10/08 14:37:03
SteveStrummerUK
 
Leadfoot
I'm hearing it too Steve. Weird... And not to derail the thread, but it still seems so foreign to me not to see K.K. Downing's name next to Glenn Tipton's. Richie is a great guitar player though.

 
Far from a derailment Bob
 
And you're right, he's pretty nifty around the fretboard. I would say he's technically much better than KK, but not quite the equal of Glenn. I think his avowed reverence to the band's previous body of work has really helped both with his playing and obviously with the way he's seamlessly dropped into the songwriting team with Rob and Glenn.
 
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