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2014/10/01 18:27:38
tlw
I am not a lawyer.

Having read her website, I think I can say with some certainty that MsF isn't a lawyer either. I don't gamble, but I'd even stake a small sum on her not being an experienced or successful diplomat or negotiator either.

There is an old saying. "He who acts as his own lawyer has a fool for a client". Because, for a start, they are too close to the issue to see things in objective, impersonal legal terms. As a quick read of her website shows.
2014/10/02 14:48:01
SongCraft
RE: This is a clear reminder that there is no protection (copyright) for example; ideas, chord progressions, so-called; tend-setting styles / sounds and words i.e Juda(s) rapped/or sang repeatedly.... seriously, a lot of major artists do the same thing, the word 'Shine' is another example; it only takes just one word to make a hook!
 
Anyone can take an interesting idea/style along with a few words (or just one word). Label's are famous for keeping up with trends (styles) and such, that's life in what has been known for decades to be 'the' music business {sigh}! 

So, instead of following a trend it's best to be-one-self and actually set-the-trend and release it officially under one's own trademark (R) or registered LLC label; at the very least there is undisputed evidence however, still of course no way to stop others from utilizing that trend.
 
By not following other styles, by not listening to others; this actually frees one-self (mind) to be them-self along with an end to song writer's block = relieved of all the so-called limits one puts on them-self because in regards to 'art' there are no limits. Hey, where's the intro, the verse, the bridge?, No, the whole song goes like this...  ||: La' La' La' La' :|| RPT 500 times. {an extreme example}

Aww heck, just wail away like a drunken donkey if all I care lol, no need to make any sense at all..... yes, just let yourself go, be yourself, free the spirit and capture that vibe faithfully.
2014/10/02 16:09:19
craigb
SongCraft
RE: This is a clear reminder that there is no protection (copyright) for example; ideas, chord progressions, so-called; tend-setting styles / sounds and words i.e Juda(s) rapped/or sang repeatedly.... seriously, a lot of major artists do the same thing, the word 'Shine' is another example; it only takes just one word to make a hook!
 
Anyone can take an interesting idea/style along with a few words (or just one word). Label's are famous for keeping up with trends (styles) and such, that's life in what has been known for decades to be 'the' music business {sigh}! 

So, instead of following a trend it's best to be-one-self and actually set-the-trend and release it officially under one's own trademark (R) or registered LLC label; at the very least there is undisputed evidence however, still of course no way to stop others from utilizing that trend.
 
By not following other styles, by not listening to others; this actually frees one-self (mind) to be them-self along with an end to song writer's block = relieved of all the so-called limits one puts on them-self because in regards to 'art' there are no limits. Hey, where's the intro, the verse, the bridge?, No, the whole song goes like this...  ||: La' La' La' La' :|| RPT 500 times. {an extreme example}

Aww heck, just wail away like a drunken donkey if all I care lol, no need to make any sense at all..... yes, just let yourself go, be yourself, free the spirit and capture that vibe faithfully.




So what does this do for Bapu?
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2014/10/02 18:21:11
Karyn
slartabartfast
The problem is that if the courts enforce copyright against an accused infringer just because he could have heard a similar song to the one he wrote, the world will be a lot worse for the regular humans who try to write original songs. 

You mean, like George Harrison (My Sweet Lord),  or Men At Work (Down Under)?
 
The case made against both the above "infringers" was that they had heard the original sometime in their past, even if they couldn't recall hearing it, and that they subconsciously recalled it and copied it...
2014/10/02 20:24:04
craigb
Karyn
slartabartfast
The problem is that if the courts enforce copyright against an accused infringer just because he could have heard a similar song to the one he wrote, the world will be a lot worse for the regular humans who try to write original songs. 

You mean, like George Harrison (My Sweet Lord),  or Men At Work (Down Under)?
 
The case made against both the above "infringers" was that they had heard the original sometime in their past, even if they couldn't recall hearing it, and that they subconsciously recalled it and copied it...




That's my preferred posting technique too (just substitute sight references for the hearing references). 
2014/10/03 10:26:15
Shambler
I've listened to both songs and really can't see that Gaga's version is anything like the original.
 
Case closed, where's my fee?
2014/10/03 13:35:40
dubdisciple
jamesg1213
Honestly didn't feel much sympathy for 'Rebecca F' (whoever she is), she came across as arrogant, self-obsessed and a bit childish...''wacky costumes that kill the environment''..reeeally?

+ 1
She came across as so unlikable herself that it makes me question her. I know it should be based on just facts, but she presented more insults and speculation than facts.
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