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2014/09/21 00:37:44
marcus3
Hi how is everyone? Anyway I'm starting a college for orchestration and film composing.
And require a Orchestra vst EWQL Gold, vienna symphonic or GP Orchestra. 
I like the sound of Vienna and was looking at the vienna symphonic ensemble pro 5 but don't know if I can compose entire orchestra with it. I did comparison of EWQL Gold and vienna ensemble pro 5. EWQL has 33gb library and vienna pro 5 9gb. What everyone opinion? Thanks Marcus
 
My DAW will be Sonar 8.5 in 32 bit 'because of quicktime' on Windows 7 64 bit and 4GB of ram.
 
2014/09/21 07:50:30
cclarry
I would say, because of your system, go with EWQL Gold...
It will be less taxing on your system (but still a heavy load)

Vienna will be even more taxing then EWQL, from my experience.
BOTH require a Dongle...EWQL is Ilok and VP is a Steinberg Key.
2014/09/21 09:49:00
ltb
There's alot to cover but briefly EWQL & VSL are both excellent. I use both in VEPro5 (which I'd recommend for anyone doing orchestration. One feature is that allows you to keep the all samples loaded in memory so you can close your daw or other projects without reloading again. It's also more efficient using VEPro5 than running them inside your daw.)

I'd first consider budget & goal.
Do you plan on doing orchestral work or using the libraries in the future?
There's a learning (& frustration) curve you will have to go through learning & using any of them.

For a student you're best bet might be GPO.
You won't get the sound quality of the others but it might be a quicker set up able to load more instruments with the small amount of memory you have.
4GB isn't very much.

It could be your best choice as far as letting you concentrate on your main objective which is orchestration instead of being interrupted with tweaking software/ hanging, crashing, freezing.

Then after your class you could decide to invest in the better & more expensive libraries.
GPO would be a minor loss compared to the others.
Good luck!
2014/09/21 12:11:56
cclarry
carl
There's alot to cover but briefly EWQL & VSL are both excellent. I use both in VEPro5 (which I'd recommend for anyone doing orchestration. One feature is that allows you to keep the all samples loaded in memory so you can close your daw or other projects without reloading again. It's also more efficient using VEPro5 than running them inside your daw.)

I'd first consider budget & goal.
Do you plan on doing orchestral work or using the libraries in the future?
There's a learning (& frustration) curve you will have to go through learning & using any of them.

For a student you're best bet might be GPO.
You won't get the sound quality of the others but it might be a quicker set up able to load more instruments with the small amount of memory you have.
4GB isn't very much.

It could be your best choice as far as letting you concentrate on your main objective which is orchestration instead of being interrupted with tweaking software/ hanging, crashing, freezing.

Then after your class you could decide to invest in the better & more expensive libraries.
GPO would be a minor loss compared to the others.
Good luck!



That's good advice Carl...GPO is definitely the least expensive and least taxing
of the 3...
2014/09/21 12:21:38
Kroneborge
If you do go with EWQL, they offer periodic sales of 50% off, so don't overpay
2014/09/21 12:41:07
MachineClaw
I own EWSO Platinum.  It has been a problem for me since I bought it.  The PLAY engine has not worked for me.  I have been through 3 version releases of the PLAY engine and the upgrades and patch fixes haven't solved my problems.  It has been frustrating when I have bought a major package and it's been nothing but problems with no workarounds.  You cannot resell EW libraries.  once you buy them your stuck with them, even though they are iLok'd and iLok allows a transfer of license with a transfer fee EW do not alow their libraries to be transferred to another user.  It's a $500 brick sitting on my shelf.
 
Many people have had issues with EW and PLAY engine.  Others have had no issues and swear by EW and the PLAY engine.  I just put that out there, you should read a TON on EW before investing with them.
 
I do not own Vienna stuff at all.  I have not read any bad reviews of any Vienna products other than the samples are kinda dry and out of the box need to be EQd and played with and yeah need speed and lots of ram for your computer.
 
If I was starting fresh I would invest in Vienna or maybe Kontakt based libraries like Kirk Hunter, ProjectSAM libraries or something else.
2014/09/21 12:51:59
cclarry
I still have the original Kompakt version of EWQL Silver Orchestra.

Not only does the Kompakt Standalone and VST STILL work with Win 8.1,
my Kontakt 5 also recognizes the samples and will play them.  So I have 2 
ways of using them.

I've thought numerous times about upgrading to the Play Version when it 
has been half off.  But I don't use them enough to justify it.

I have many Play instruments and they all work fine in Win 8.1, both standalone
and VST, but I know many have had problems...
2014/09/21 14:12:01
Sycraft
I'm in the same boat as MachineClaw: The Play engine that EWQL uses has been continual problems for me. They been developing it for the better part of a decade now and they STILL can't make it work right. So I'd stay away from any EastWest stuff. It may work for you, but if it doesn't EW will be no help and I wouldn't expect it to get fixed.
2014/09/21 14:57:52
cclarry
Time & Space has 40% off on GPO and GIO right now...

http://www.timespace.com/...3/999995/garritan.html
 
EDIT:  After converting these prices they are not very good
          and not 40% off really.

Jrrshop is about the same and doesn't have 40% off...
2014/09/21 15:57:40
Sycraft
Just to expound on my EW dislike, my problems with Play lead me to spend $500 on Komplete and then another $500ish on the Kirk Hunter libraries, despite already owning EWQL Platinum, EWQL Symphonic Choirs, and QL Goliath.
 
They were that problematic that I stopped using them and spend a grand to replace them.
 
If you are wondering why I've so many, I bought EWQL Gold and Colossus back in the Kompakt days, and they offered an upgrade to the Play editions which I took them up on and because it was such a good deal moved to Platinum and added Choirs. Big mistake :P.
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