2014/08/28 16:03:56
bapu
I've been a whipping boy since I joined.
2014/08/28 16:06:09
Beepster
Anderton
Beepster
Craig Anderton should be grandmaster of the any Feature Request/R&D subforum

 
[That sound you hear is Cakewalk employees scurrying feverishly to try and figure out how to erase your post without anyone noticing]
 




Well I know you're joking but I'd hope they realize the weight your name seems to carry. I've been contemplating PMing you a tale about a convo I had recently with a retailer (a surprisingly knowledgeable one). This is not the time or place but basically we started chatting about stuff and I mentioned how you had gotten more officially involved with Cake after the buyout. It really seemed to strike a chord with the guy. I'm pretty new to all this as you probably know so I just know you from here and some of the vids around. When I start talking to people in the meatworld and they go "Really? Craig? Niiice." that, to me, seems pretty darned good for the brand.
 
 
2014/08/28 16:07:55
Rimshot
 
Every forum has rules.  What is unfortunate is when those rules are broken and nothing happens.  Some speak of their right to freedom of speech to say whatever they want.  In a public forum, the TOS is posted to let everyone know what the general limits are.  We can't just say anything we feel if it goes against those guidelines.  Why is this not obvious?  So, moderators are needed in this regard to try to keep things civil.  
 
We either abide by the TOS, work to change it, or leave.  Acting against it just shows no respect for the forum members IMO.  
I agree with Ed that it really is up to Cakewalk to decide these parameters.  I also agree with Bat that the moderator will become the whipping boy.  This new direction will take some time to work out the bugs.
 
 
2014/08/28 16:17:24
Beepster
RE: Whipping boy. That's why I was mentioning Mods should have the option to switch to a nondescript Moderator account to deal with issues. If they do it under their regular handles it can cause more flaminess and nonsense than the original problem.
 
I do find it weird how a forum about a piece of software has managed to cause such severe flamewars and grudges. Especially amongst such a seemingly nice bunch of dudes. A bit of light, thoughtful moderation could certainly help prevent things from getting to that point... I hope.
2014/08/28 16:22:54
bapu
Craig's a schmoozer.
 
Oh, wait you meant Anderton.
 
I meant craigb.
2014/08/28 16:26:12
Anderton
batsbrew
any moderator, will become a whipping boy.



Seriously, how many times can you think of that these forums required the kind of heavy-handed moderation that would make someone a whipping boy?
 
Now, I have been in forums where this was an issue. I took over as moderator of the Political Party forum at Harmony Central because all previous moderators had tried to be conscientious and fair, which is impossible in that context. So they ran away screaming and no one else would do it. If the Political Forum vitriol level ranged from 1 to 10 (most vitriol), the worst the CW forums have ever dished up is about 0.000000013.
 
Again Willy can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think the motivation here is to use moderation to sanitize the forums, but to organize the forums for maximum effectiveness, keep out the spammers, gently steer things in the right direction if things go off-course, and not have the community think no one is listening. I've never gotten the feeling anyone at CW felt the forums needed to be hosed down with Lysol and ammonia.
 
(By the way, I solved the whipping boy problem in the poli forum simply by promising that my moderation would be arbitrary and inconsistent. Whenever someone complained I was being arbitrary and inconsistent, I'd tell them that a) I was merely fulfilling my promise, and b) I didn't care what they thought. Eventually people stopped complaining. Most people liked the moderation style anyway. Forums are not to be taken too seriously.)
2014/08/28 16:32:54
bapu
Anderton
 Forums are not to be taken too seriously.


I wish people would say that about me.
2014/08/28 16:34:24
Beepster
bapu
Craig's a schmoozer.
 
Oh, wait you meant Anderton.
 
I meant craigb.





I was gonna list craigb in the "Who would you hang out with" thread because he reminds me of some of my buddies on the sillier sites I hang out on. But I figured if we ever did meet in person we'd probably just look at our respective gear for ten minutes then end up playing video games or posting silly crap on the internet... all of which we could simply do over the internet anyway. lol
2014/08/28 17:12:37
spacealf
After all this stuff is starting to go on:
 
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-28970473
 
What does that have to do with here?
Well, I do not know.
 
2014/08/28 17:13:45
SteveStrummerUK
 
When I am, as seems inevitable, appointed as a moderator by the powers that be, will my devout and industrious attention to my duties be recompensed by free SONARS and Les Pauls?
 
Enquiring minds need answers.
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