Beepster
Yeah, I haven't watched the Abrahms stuff yet. Kind of avoiding it because of exactly what you report but I guess I'll watch them eventually. I think I want to rewatch TOS one more time before doing so so that the altered/rebooted universe doesn't poison the traditional history.

Abrams made a Star Trek that would please Star Wars fans and the people who never liked the franchise. Actually, one of my friends whose a huge Star Wars fan and never got Star Trek absolutely loved the Abrams movies.
 
When I saw Kirk racing a car listening to the Beastie Boys full blast, that pretty much sealed it for me...
 
EDIT - By the way, nothing against Star Wars - I'm a huge fan as well. But the two things are just completely different.

Rain
EDIT - By the way, nothing against Star Wars - I'm a huge fan as well. But the two things are just completely different.

Yes, in Star Wars there's a light side and a dark side while in Star Trek there's only Kirk's side. 

To this day I still have not watched more than 15 minutes of a star wars movie.

craigb

There seems to be a severe aspirin shortage in the future.

Rain

Beepster
Yeah, I haven't watched the Abrahms stuff yet. Kind of avoiding it because of exactly what you report but I guess I'll watch them eventually. I think I want to rewatch TOS one more time before doing so so that the altered/rebooted universe doesn't poison the traditional history.

Abrams made a Star Trek that would please Star Wars fans and the people who never liked the franchise. Actually, one of my friends whose a huge Star Wars fan and never got Star Trek absolutely loved the Abrams movies.
 
When I saw Kirk racing a car listening to the Beastie Boys full blast, that pretty much sealed it for me...
 
EDIT - By the way, nothing against Star Wars - I'm a huge fan as well. But the two things are just completely different.

I was actually a Star Wars lunatic as a kid and still enjoy those movies as an adult but it's more out of nostalgia. A lot of people disliked the prequels (and there was a LOT of stupid stuff in them... grrr, Jar Jar! I just want to strangle that thing!!) but knowing the whole story is cool. I kind of wish someone would do an ultra dark and serious reboot of the entire franchise without all the kids stuff but I doubt Lucas would allow that. The animated Clone Wars series has more of the dark undertones that I think the story could benefit from.
 
Star Trek wasn't really as appealing to me as a kid because... well I was a stupid kid with a short attention span and couldn't appreciate that the ideas and technology were meant to be at least somewhat plausible. Even as a young adult it really didn't sink in because I was a dropout who didn't know anything about basic physics or engineering (which I have corrected in recent years... so now it's much cooler). 10 years ago Star Trek TNG would almost without fail make me fall asleep before the end of an episode. Now my mind dissects all the technojargon and physics bending they toss into it. It's a like a whole different show.
 
So seeing as how I can get into more action/fantasy based stuff like SW perhaps the Abrahms movies will be cool. The mention of Kirk blasting Beastie Boys seems a little cheesy but it can't be any worse than some of the extremely hokey fromage they crammed into the original movies. Gawd some of those scenes were bad... lol.
 
In regards to DS9 and the more spiritual element it was cool because I'm into that type of thing as well but it was very surprising especially after just pounding my way through TOS and TNG. It was a remarkably good show but it really kind of shattered the Federation being the ultimate good guys mythos... which I guess is cool too. Just weird. I think the idea was to show even the most benevolent of organizations can quickly grow some rot and internal discord when faced with extreme circumstances.
 
But the best thing about DS9 I think was we got to see Worf go ultra bad ass.
 
/dork
 
;-)

It was nice seeing Worf actually win a fight for a change. In TNG, it seemed that almost every single alien he encountered slapped him down like a bug. 

I think they really rounded out his storyline well. The struggle of being part of two VERY different cultures and trying to find a balance between the two while staying true to himself. Hating his Klingon side because of their brutishness and his own internal rage/violence which conflicted with all the morals he was taught by his human parents yet also feeling shame because he was considered weak by his blood race for having those human morals. In the end he shows he can be an extremely powerful warrior to be feared while still keeping the peaceful ideals he was raised with. He finds out he has more strength and honor than the Klingons who doubt him. Vindication is sweet thing.

And did anyone else find Sisko's performance bizarre to the point of being humorous? Like his weird facial expressions, speaking manner and hand flourishes at odd moments? The dude cracked me up.
 

Beepster
And did anyone else find Sisko's performance bizarre to the point of being humorous? Like his weird facial expressions, speaking manner and hand flourishes at odd moments? The dude cracked me up.
 

It took some getting used to, but I got to appreciate him. 
 
Regarding Star Wars, overall, I'm one of the few who dug the prequels - in spite of Jar Jar. I think us fans of the original trilogy are so attached to those movies that we lost perpective. I watched them again last winter and, objectively speaking, they have their fair share of poor acting, bad dialogues, and silly childish characters... 
 
I mean, how are Ewoks NOT ridiculously caricatural and annoyingly childish?
 
And yet, I love those movies. They're an important part of my life.