2014/08/06 08:21:08
Karyn
Beepster
Oh and since you did the recording multi track (if I'm reading that right) you could "cheat" by getting the guys to overdub the mistakes and try to match the sound to the live recording (via reverb, saturation, eq, etc). That seems to be pretty common for live albums anyway these days.



I'm talking about the band playing bad, not just one of the "musicians" !
2014/08/06 08:23:19
Karyn
And to clarify,  it's NOT the band featured in my Pics from the Gig thread.  They were excellent.
 
I'll be posting a couple of taster tracks from that band in a day or so.
2014/08/06 08:52:27
Beepster
Ah, yeah if everybody got their wonk on all at once ain't much can be done about that but giggle and shake your head. I have hours of those types of recordings too.
 
Barley pops. Lotsa fun but not very microphone friendly. lol
2014/08/06 10:01:14
Karyn
As always happens with amateur bands, one guy messes up and it throws the rest of them....
2014/08/06 12:18:03
UbiquitousBubba
A recording of the show is one of the best tools an amateur band can have. Telling a vocalist that they were a bit flat during the chorus is one thing. Having them listen to it makes it real. Telling a drummer that the timing was "not quite accurate" is far less effective than listening to the recording. Explaining to the lead guitarist that he missed the bridge and played his solo over the third verse may not be believed until he hears it for himself. 
 
When I've been in one of these bands, I've appreciated the live recording, even when it was hideously painful to hear. At the very least, it helped us pinpoint the things we needed to fix for the next gig. Sometimes, that was a very long list.
 
Unfortunately, many bands will listen instead for the small handful of times they accidentally got things right. They'll laugh when they hear the bassist fall down, high five each other when the drummer drops his sticks, and cheer madly when they hear polite applause. They'll nod understandingly when the vocalist forgets the lyrics, the drummer hits himself in the face, the bassist plays the wrong song, or when the guitarist accidentally throws his guitar off-stage. Those things can happen to anyone, after all. It makes the keyboardist look like a Mensa member by comparison. That is, until you get to the part where he spills his drink on his keyboard.
 
Some delusions are persistent. 
2014/08/06 13:06:41
Beepster
lol, bubba... so true.
 
I enjoy playing with "amateurs" and upstart bands in many ways because  there tends to be a lot more enthusiasm and energy with dudes and dudettes who are getting their first taste of band camaraderie, those sweet gelling moments in band practice when a song comes together or the "victory" of acquiring and pulling off a live gig. I do (or did when I was able to actively keep up band schedules) try to force at least a couple rehearsals a week until there was a decent set and there were a couple band members solid enough to act as anchor points when things went awry (which ideally is the drummer but they can be notoriously crazy and erratic in my experience).
 
As a really young "man" (my mid to late teens) I was hired to axe wield for a long established signed act who were all much older than me so I kind of started off playing with guys who knew their shiz (mostly). After I bailed from that I ended up in a lot of underground upstarts so I inevitably ended up being the anchor point. It was fun but harrowing/frustrating. After getting a reputation as being a solid guitar player some of the more pro outfits started asking me to fill in as a hired gun. It was a totally different experience and had its good and bad points. The good being that these dudes knew their shiz and the material so I didn't have to concentrate so much on what everyone else was doing and could focus on my own playing BUT they KNEW they knew their shiz which led to cockiness and, imo, slackarsedness. So while I was dealing with "pros" they were jaded and band practice was a chore instead of a joy. They would book important tours without allowing enough time for pre tour rehearsals. So many times I've had bands say "hey, man... we're going on tour for X days, weeks, months and want you to come along. Here's a recording of the set list we're doing... learn it and we'll get at least 4 or 5 rehearsals in before we hit the road." So I'll diligently learn all the material on my own time and make time for the rehearsals only to show up at the practice space to have them either not show up at all or only go through a few songs or get drunk or insist we should spend the time making shirts or whatever so when we hit the road we have MAYBE played the whole set as a band once and usually not even that.
 
But hey... that's okay because we're all "pros", right? lol... NOT! The first few shows bomb, everyone's angry and anxious but after using the first week of gigs as pretty much rehearsals things start to gel more or less. By the end of the tour (if it's a reasonably long one) the band is a well oiled machine BUT it could have all been SOOOOO much better if there had been a good solid month of ACTUAL rehearsal where the ENTIRE setlist was hammered out. Trying to gel on stage (the trial by fire method) sucks IMO. The sound is generally bad so you don't get to learn those subtle cues from your bandmates like you can in rehearsal, there are loads of distraction and noise (like the girl flasher her cooter or the drunken dudes fighting in the front row), everyone is trying to "look cool" and "rock out" so the band isn't boring to look at, etc... Instead of having the songs completely ingrained in everyone's heads and muscle memory BEFORE the chaos of touring and live gigging it has to come on stage right in front of the people you are trying to sell your brand to.
 
Trial by fire is a good thing to be able to survive but good gawd I do not understand why so many bands INSIST on that method of pre-production for gigging.
 
Is band practice REALLY that boring? If so do these people ACTUALLY enjoy playing music or do they just want to wave their weens around and look cool?
 
I love music. I love playing music. I love playing in bands. I love being in rehearsal. In fact I think I liked rehearsal far more than playing live. It's more pure and the focus is on the music... not all the other stupid crap going on.
 
Sadly I do not get to participate in any of that anymore. Suxxors.
 
/rant
2014/08/06 13:15:58
Beepster
Oh... and the WORST is when you get the combo of the two. An "amateur" band who have gigged for a while and think they're the beeswax so they take on the mentality of the pros and refuse to practice or start going all rockstar. So you've got dudes who NEED the practice but don't THINK they need the practice.
 
That's when I walk. Ain't nobody got time for that.
2014/08/06 15:00:08
craigb
Or when the drummer's playing 50/64 at a 122 bpm tempo; the bass player's playing 46/64 at a 113 bpm tempo; the guitarist is out of tune and keeps inserting the interplay riff he forgot to play during the previous song; and the singer is boldly screaming out all of his 1/2 octave range while spraying the audience that's too close to the stage with tequila spittal.
 
Yeah.
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