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2014/07/05 16:13:48
Rain
Every Tom Cruise movie is 3 D, at least.
 
Dreadful, Deplorable, Dismal...
 
And I can think of many others. :P
2014/07/05 16:39:34
Moshkiae
Hi,
 
Richard Lester directed it.
 
It was a fun and nice movie, but it really was not as "original" as we make it out to be. But it was a way to bring the Beatles to the public that was just hearing about it, and due to that, it helped make the film better and get more attention.
 
But there was some serious precedent for many of the moments in the film, many of which can be found in more than 140 Goon Shows done between 1952 and 1964. The most visible example is the blatant copy of the running, jumping, standing still thing, which was one of the Goons best sound effects moments for 12 years, from running to China and back to any other excuse.
 
All in all, it was fun, funny and had weird things, but compared to the "imagination" that the Goons created, this was a visualization of the Goons, that could not be done with the Goons themselves, as Peter Sellers had by that time become a film star and would not be able to dedicate his time and effort to The Goons anymore.
 
Spike Milligan was never really "hurt", by the Beatles copy of his work, but he talks about it in an interview, and that one was done in 1968, when he was trying to co-op some money to save some elephants. All of this can be heard on an interview.
 
The silliness of the songs, that they created, along with Peter Sellers' very own solo albums (he was also a very good drummer), show some comedy moments that ended up finding a bigger venue later. The "stories" that the Beatles formulated for their "Christmas Shows" and in a way to Magical Mystery Tour and Sargent Peppers, is quite evident in the style that the Goons had. The sound effects were the driving moment THEN, because you had to imagine things with radio in the 50's and early 60's!!!!! YOU FORGOT THAT PART! So when a film like this comes out, it becomes massively big and important and "original", which is fair, but it also brought out the English/Brittish scene in comedy and other things that were not as well heard all over.
 
For the record, The Goons, are still heard on the BBC every week, and it's now 50 PLUS years, since it started. Several things were also connected. John Lennon's play was almost a complete take on "The Bed-Sitting Room" by Spike Milligan, a massively wild and out of control anti-war thing. And Spike's series of books on his experiences in WW2 where he met Peter and Harry Secombe (in Algeria!!!!!!!), is a massively funny and off the wall bunch of stories and events that make "MASH", look rather clumsy, but still good!
 
But it's worth seeing. You are getting a view of people IMAGINED was what "stars" were all about in the movies!
 
 
2014/07/05 16:45:30
bapu
So Pedro,
 
Hard Days Night was NOT about the Beatles then?
 
Man, Am I clueless.
2014/07/05 17:08:36
Moshkiae
bapu
So Pedro,
 
Hard Days Night was NOT about the Beatles then?
 
Man, Am I clueless.



Go have a beer and then watch the dvd and then you can ask again!
 

 
The film is almost like listening to a Goon Show, if you allow yourself a chance to let your brain fly and enjoy the jokes and all that, and Peter Sellers doing 6 to 7 voices, Spike Milligan doing 6 to 7 voices and harry Secombe usually playing the anti-hero Neddie Seagoon!
 
Same characters in many different stories.
 
But the Beatles "splash", helped validate the fame and "movie-ness" that started 10/15 years earlier with the movie studios trying hard to cement their starts as singers as well. You don't sit here and talk about all the Elvis films that were remastered! Or Bobby Darin! Or Judy Garland! And many of them had the same thing, including the famous Hollywood closeups, that Richard Lester makes fun with a lot, and in more than one of his films!
 
It was, for all intents and purposes, the very first MTV video. None of it had anything to do with the music, but it was fun and cheery and made the Beatles and their music sound even better and more appealing to the general public.
 
The movies, in many ways, helped "bring" The Beatles to the public, because it was impossible to put them in concert already after the mass media histeria of so many places, with the fans! And it was a VERY GOOD decision on their part that no more concerts was a good idea, but it also says their music was not getting any easier, and you can see what it took in the film "Let it Be", which needs to be remastered and shown before it loses its importance.
 
I just hate to see The Beatles commercially exploited like they are by the release of this film!
 
Just think of it! Two years earlier some morons had said the Beatles were trash! Still the number one worst business decision ever made. The Rolling Stones is the number two decision!
 
 
2014/07/05 18:56:37
slartabartfast
I suspect the lingering taste of the degradation the Beatles suffered at the hands of promoters that produced the stupid early movies probably was the spur that eventually led to the creation of the White album. That and the financial success from the paying mobs of teenyboppers which made it possible to do something different and not worry about going broke by alienating their early audience. 
2014/07/06 12:07:53
bapu
So then maybe this forum is not about SONAR and it's really about chat rooms or news feeds or Al Gore.
 
Because in reality (WTF is that anyway? since we're all really only 16 year old nerds) nothing is what it seems. If we keep telling ourselves that (in a curmudgeonly way) we'll believe it, roight? 
2014/07/06 12:13:30
jamesg1213
Hi,
 
I think 'A Hard Day's Night' owes more to Alfred Jarry's work' eg: Ubu Roi, than The Goons. One can definitely see a connection between Wilfrid Brambell's character and those in some of the absurdist literature of the early 20th Century.
 
Indeed, as Jarry himself wrote, expressing some of the bizarre logic of 'pataphysics, "If you let a coin fall and it falls, the next time it is just by an infinite coincidence that it will fall again the same way; hundreds of other coins on other hands will follow this pattern in an infinitely unimaginable fashion".
 
Undeniable.
2014/07/06 12:28:48
bapu
Over 90% of headaches are in the "head".
2014/07/06 12:29:29
bapu
I prefers my literature simple.
 
Yellow River, by I. P. Frehley
 
2014/07/06 12:29:46
bapu
Go to the back of the boat he said sternly.
 
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