Rain

RobertB
I dunno. A hollow body with a floating bridge and the Bigsby? Kinda scary.
And where's the rest of the Bigsby?
I'll take the maple center block and the fixed bridge on the Riviera over that any day, thank you very much.
Plus, after getting to know her over the past few months, I think the P93 is a much better guitar than its modest price would indicate. The more I play it, the more I like it.
No need to second guess that call, Rain.
Bummer about the shoulder, though. I hope that heals soon.
I guess you're right, Robert. :)
 
Speaking of healing, I hope your wrist has been getting better. Any new developments?

Right about what? Robert is expressing his preference and nothing about the pro's and con's of the construction
methods used other than he prefers a center block and fixed bridge.
Gretsch offers hollow body with three different construction methods. Until one knows about them and the models they are use on is when they really make a determination what may be fine for the money they spend IMO.
I think this thread has been very much like when folks here have complained about the knowledge of the kids working at Guitar Center.
Maybe a little facts about why one may prefer the "center block" vs the "trestle" vs the "post bracing" and the models that have which one would enlighten some before they go sending their money to Korea.
I should learn to keep my mouth shut since I don't have a dog in the hunt. I'm out.

spacey
 
Right about what? Robert is expressing his preference and nothing about the pro's and con's of the construction
methods used other than he prefers a center block and fixed bridge.
Gretsch offers hollow body with three different construction methods. Until one knows about them and the models they are use on is when they really make a determination what may be fine for the money they spend IMO.
I think this thread has been very much like when folks here have complained about the knowledge of the kids working at Guitar Center.
Maybe a little facts about why one may prefer the "center block" vs the "trestle" vs the "post bracing" and the models that have which one would enlighten some before they go sending their money to Korea.
I should learn to keep my mouth shut since I don't have a dog in the hunt. I'm out.

Right about the fact that I probably don't need to second guess my purchase of the Riviera. 
 
At this point, anyway, it's all purely speculative. No amount of specs and facts will change a thing - I do own the Riviera, it is a nice guitar in its own right, it's fun to play and it sounds good.
 
Center block or no center block, Robert's preference vs mine vs anyone else's, China or Korea or Nashville, whether I'm politically more in line with Gibson or Fender - none of that has any bearing. 
 
Even more obviously, if I were rich, I wouldn't bother debating the merits of one budget guitar vs another budget guitar.
 
Don't read too much into it - it's purely anecdotal. I can't go back and change the past, even if I wanted to. And I don't think I would. But, did I have $600 to spare, I'd probably buy the Gretsch all the same if I tried and liked it, no matter what anyone else thinks of it.

You got to gyrate around, loosen up, move and giggle and wiggle around, samba, be-bop, move with the beat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHTV2F9HkZw

http://www.epiphone.com/P...htop/Casino-Coupe.aspx

$449 when it comes out.
 
Gotta woogie -boogie!
Even older now and still going in 2014.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLu_FOa1S_c
 
 

Rain

spacey
 
Right about what? Robert is expressing his preference and nothing about the pro's and con's of the construction
methods used other than he prefers a center block and fixed bridge.
Gretsch offers hollow body with three different construction methods. Until one knows about them and the models they are use on is when they really make a determination what may be fine for the money they spend IMO.
I think this thread has been very much like when folks here have complained about the knowledge of the kids working at Guitar Center.
Maybe a little facts about why one may prefer the "center block" vs the "trestle" vs the "post bracing" and the models that have which one would enlighten some before they go sending their money to Korea.
I should learn to keep my mouth shut since I don't have a dog in the hunt. I'm out.

Right about the fact that I probably don't need to second guess my purchase of the Riviera. 
 
At this point, anyway, it's all purely speculative. No amount of specs and facts will change a thing - I do own the Riviera, it is a nice guitar in its own right, it's fun to play and it sounds good.
 
Center block or no center block, Robert's preference vs mine vs anyone else's, China or Korea or Nashville, whether I'm politically more in line with Gibson or Fender - none of that has any bearing. 
 
Even more obviously, if I were rich, I wouldn't bother debating the merits of one budget guitar vs another budget guitar.
 
Don't read too much into it - it's purely anecdotal. I can't go back and change the past, even if I wanted to. And I don't think I would. But, did I have $600 to spare, I'd probably buy the Gretsch all the same if I tried and liked it, no matter what anyone else thinks of it.

 
You missed my point(s) without doubt.
I didn't read too much into it- in fact I was pointing out exactly what was missing and especially for those that don't
have money to waste. I would think it would matter more to them when thinking about a purchase.
 
Since none of it has any bearing to you and no matter of what anyone else thinks I'll not go into details about the differences that make such a huge difference in the economy model you own and the one you posted in this thread that supports Roberts opinion.
 
I've also noticed that we have communication issues. I'll not be bothering you again.
 
 

spacey
 
I've also noticed that we have communication issues. I'll not be bothering you again.
 
 

 
I've noticed that too on a couple of occasions already - no ill will and sad really, because otherwise I really do appreciate your contributions to this forum, FWIW. 
 
You asked me why I was saying to Robert he was probably right. I explained exactly what I meant. As for the rest, I have no concern about the technical aspects in this context, and I didn't address that. Even more importantly, I don't have the knowledge about that stuff.
 
I do inquire when I need to, and I do take what I'm told in consideration, but ultimately, it all boils down to playing the instrument and seeing how I like it. 
 
At the end of the day, Hendrix played CBS era Fender strats. Eddie Van Halen revolutionized rock music with a guitar he put together using pieces that cost him a whooping $130. When asked what type of amp he needed for a gig, John Lennon answered "one that works". That's the angle.
 
This casual thread wasn't meant as a reference guide for people looking to buy a budget guitar, especially if they don't have money to waste.
 
I don't feel I have an obligation towards them just because I am talking about guitars, no more than people should be told to stop posting about bacon because someone who just had heart surgery may be looking for dietary advice on this forum and in those threads.
 

Rain
 
 
Right about the fact that I probably don't need to second guess my purchase of the Riviera. 
 

This was my point, really.
I won't go into 50 years of dealing with applied physics, vibration, and loose parts(rattle bridge, I like that).
 
The wrist is healing up nicely, Rain.
It's funny, but as I was looking at the exposed tendons through the holes I was most worried about how this was going to affect my guitar playing. Thankfully, the bugger didn't do any serious damage. The back side of my right thumb remains dead to sensation, but the operational side is fine.
I've got the pick flying again, and I can use the tools that put food on the table and a roof over our heads.
I am more skittish around dogs than I used to be, though, and I despise pit bulls and their owners more than ever.

RobertB

Rain
 
 
Right about the fact that I probably don't need to second guess my purchase of the Riviera. 
 

This was my point, really.
I won't go into 50 years of dealing with applied physics, vibration, and loose parts(rattle bridge, I like that).
 

Now I'm even more confused about this thread although I'm not a bit confused about the two models this thread is about.
 
You're the one that brought up the center block and archtop bridge differences in the two models Robert and what you liked and then didn't explain why which left Rain with "I guess you're right Robert" when in fact he had to guess because what you did mention didn't include the major difference between the two models that does make the biggest difference and also makes that model of the Electromatic line such a questionable purchase for many pickers.
 
So before I go I'll offer reasoning for those that do care and want to know.
 
Both the center-block design and the hollow body designs are fine. The bad thing about the Electromatic Rain posted about in this thread- it does not have the trestle support. That is the support that Chet Atkins got with an engineer about trying to eliminate the feedback issue that electrified hollowbodies may have-so he could play louder.
This Electromatic model has a "post support" that does not address that issue..it simple helps the top support the archtop bridge.
Since the post support is also offered in more expensive models it's something that those that may not know about may want to know before they're faced with uncontrolled feedback problems after buying one. (Not to mention support issues or lack of with a Bigsby too - the center-block and trestle support address both support and feedback issues with or without a Bigsby)
 
Robert is right....you may not need to second guess the Riviera but now readers that do care about specifics know why they may want to question this Electromatic model as well as other hollowbody guitars.
We know there are differences that make them all fine for different players ( post support is just fine for many pickers) it's good for those that want to know upfront when playing them and before buying and that's why I'm posting again...for them. I'm not only done...I'm fried.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hi,
 
Maybe it was that when we lived in Brasil, for the first 3 years was basically a shack and straw mattresses ... and then an OK house in Araraquara for 3 years, and there was no place, time, or chance for luxuries.
 
There are a lot of things I want ... and I just can't bring myself to get them. I look at them, and they don't click. I look at that sunthesizer, seems nice and good, I walk into Apple Music here, and it's total merde, and the folks around it are even worse. I'm supposed to overlook that to find if the instrument talks to me, but in piddling on it, it doesn't at all! Disappointment sets in! And I was ready to spend 2K on a Dave Smith synthesizer!
 
I'm wanting another Fender Bass (jazz due to smaller neck), but every time I try to get a hold of someone at GC, MF, BS and FU and whatever, they can't even tell me which Fender Hardshell Case I can get for it! They don't know. Apple Music didn't either, and didn't have any ... but they don't touch Fender it looks like by their website's notes! I thought about Portland Music and they had a Deluxe Special (the Mexican Made with the double pickups), and I played on it for half an hour ... didn't like the blue and fugly color on it, though. I wanted the black and gold, if it was available, and when I asked about it, they said they wouldn't be able to get it!
 
I'm back to writing almost full time after a break, and one novel is flowing really well, and the great thing is every time I sit, what I thought I was going to write is there, but it has massive enhancements that stunned me ... such is the freedom and openness of my style. Already on Chapter 10 and likely half way through it.
 
I wanted to get more into music, but it feels like it is getting further and further away, and it makes me cry. I really need someone to help me with things, and this is almost the same as you wanting your significant other ... it's a "connection" that I've had with music since childhood, and the reason why I have so many LP's and CD's ... they all take me away ... but touching that dream ... is becoming a sort of illusion! It's not about "sex" ... it's about a FRIEND, if you will!
 
And the only thing I ever have learned about illusions, is ... write them down. Sometimes a poem, sometimes a short story ... because the music I hear ... is not "happening", and after a few posts and the hope that I can get a good push from some folks ... I'm losing faith in that "inner flight" and "vision". And many folks don't want you to meet your dream ... because it will make them feel inferior? It's not about my 15 minutes of crappy fame! I couldn't careless about fame! It's about something else much deeper ... way deeper!
 
It's flighty, it's selfish, it's nasty, it has no humor .... and sometimes so silly, that all folks can post is tell Pedro to let it  go! **** the guitar is all I can say at that moment!

I'm not really considering the Epiphone Casino Coupe I posted the link to but if I were. Because it is a hollow body and P90s in it, that feedback would be more of a problem playing loud without there being the center block like a semi-hollow body?
 
I thought the P90s loud would be the problem making noise perhaps first - loud?
 
Oh well, nice to know though.
 
 

Well Spacey, I guess I did kind of start this.
I don't pretend to have the understanding of guitar construction that you do, and you have raised some interesting points.
What struck me about this Electromatic was the choice of a floating bridge.
What holds a floating bridge in place? Down pressure from the string tension.
What happens when you take the Bigsby(or any trem) to full swing? Significantly reduced down pressure.
Add to that the natural vibration of the face of the Hollow body structure. Bracing or not, it's a resonant surface.
Vibration tends to act as a lubricant between unfixed objects.
Picture for a moment a vibrating sander. When turned off, it is relatively difficult to move. However when you turn it on, it glides easily.
So we have a critical component (the bridge) subjected to forces which are conspiring to make it do exactly what we don't want it to do. We don't want it walking around. It needs to stay put.
Hence my preference for a bridge solidly mounted to the center block.
As always, I respect your views,  and I hope this clarifies where I was coming from.