2014/07/22 01:52:40
spacey
RobertB
Well Spacey, I guess I did kind of start this.
I don't pretend to have the understanding of guitar construction that you do, and you have raised some interesting points.
What struck me about this Electromatic was the choice of a floating bridge.
What holds a floating bridge in place? Down pressure from the string tension.
What happens when you take the Bigsby(or any trem) to full swing? Significantly reduced down pressure.
Add to that the natural vibration of the face of the Hollow body structure. Bracing or not, it's a resonant surface.
Vibration tends to act as a lubricant between unfixed objects.
Picture for a moment a vibrating sander. When turned off, it is relatively difficult to move. However when you turn it on, it glides easily.
So we have a critical component (the bridge) subjected to forces which are conspiring to make it do exactly what we don't want it to do. We don't want it walking around. It needs to stay put.
Hence my preference for a bridge solidly mounted to the center block.
As always, I respect your views,  and I hope this clarifies where I was coming from.




It clarifies your preferences Robert.
 
My intention was not to give an opinion of what I may think is better or worse but to mention that there are differences to consider when one is trying to find the guitar they are looking for.
 
Most know that archtop bridges have been fine for amazing guitarist for many years.
If one has trouble with them then they have a choice to choose a different type or make mod's that correct issues. ( I do think that Gretsch is working out a pinning system...probably catching on to what many players have been doing for many years...with or without a Bigsby. Not to mention working the base over to fit the top better which is not an uncommon problem with archtop bridges.)
 
Many differences aren't so easy to see and if one doesn't know about them they really don't have anything to compare...I mean if one doesn't know about the internal bracing or lack of when dealing with semi-hollow or hollow body guitars how can they know what they are comparing? How can they get answers when they don't know the question(s)? Knowing may help them in recognizing the sound differences or possible issues such as feedback. May help stop some unexpected surprises LOL. 
 
I don't mention or share the few things I know with the thought of what's better or worse. I mention things so they are known with the thought that it will make it easier to compare...or that it's just something I prefer.
Much like Spacealfs post....he may want to compare the Epiphone Dot to the Casino. Both comparable guitars-one with a center-block and one without. Then he can make an informed decision about what is best for him.
 
Of course there are those that don't care to know. Sometimes I can't tell when that is when they don't have a "I don't care to know" attitude towards some but do with me. It's good to know. Easy to resolve. Sorry I joined in this thread and I won't be back to it. Peace.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
2014/07/22 12:38:59
spacealf
Except for some expensive guitars I still think that no guitar made is heavy-duty in the sense of over building of the norm build considered for what a guitar is.
 
2014/07/22 14:20:31
drewfx1
Drewfx1's X(1)mas present to himself, a smoke green Electromatic 5420:
 

 
I have to say I absolutely love this guitar and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it, the only problem being one of the pots could use replacing. The color changes with the light and is really hard to reproduce, but it varies between a sort of greenish vintage white to more of a light lime green. It was bought to address my White Falcon (and Bigsby) lust. 
 
 
If looking at used Electromatics, be aware that the newer one's have what they call “Black Top” Filter’Tron PU's which are considered decent, but the earlier one's had PU's (can't remember what they called them) that seemed to be very much disliked.
2014/07/22 14:35:04
Rain
drewfx1
Drewfx1's X(1)mas present to himself, a smoke green Electromatic 5420:
 

 
I have to say I absolutely love this guitar and wouldn't hesitate to recommend it, the only problem being one of the pots could use replacing. The color changes with the light and is really hard to reproduce, but it varies between a sort of greenish vintage white to more of a light lime green. It was bought to address my White Falcon (and Bigsby) lust. 
 
 
If looking at used Electromatics, be aware that the newer one's have what they call “Black Top” Filter’Tron PU's which are considered decent, but the earlier one's had PU's (can't remember what they called them) that seemed to be very much disliked.




She's a beauty! :)
 
A friend of mine chimed in after I'd mentioned it on FB and told me the same thing about the pick ups. As for the rest, he told me that the Gretsch was now his main guitar and that he hardly ever played his long time favorite Gibson (a relatively rare one, I forget the model) anymore.
 
Since he has plenty of gigs, I'm thinking tat the Gretsch must perform adequately.
2014/07/22 14:50:52
drewfx1
I love this one for what it is, but honestly I think a P90 equipped guitar like the one you got is a bit more versatile and better equipped for general rock/blues/etc. Not that you can't do a variety of things with this (or any) guitar, but let's just say it wouldn't be my first choice for everything.
2014/07/22 15:32:38
Rain
drewfx1
I love this one for what it is, but honestly I think a P90 equipped guitar like the one you got is a bit more versatile and better equipped for general rock/blues/etc. Not that you can't do a variety of things with this (or any) guitar, but let's just say it wouldn't be my first choice for everything.




To be perfectly honest with you, the reason I could even justify buying a new guitar is that one of our projects was on the rock and roll/rockabilly side, so my first thought was:
 
What would Brian Setzer do (if he were short on cash)? :P
 
For that purpose, a Gretsch with Filtertrons would have been quite perfect, and I wasn't necessarily counting on the instrument's versatility. 
 
On the other hand, the Riviera lets me do the Scotty Moore thing and then plenty of other stuff.
 
Overall at this point, the SG remains my go to instrument. I wish I could have one that sounds a bit fatter, rounder - even if it'd obviously be different from a semi-hollow. But, maybe with a pair of Filtertrons and a Bigsby - I'd be curious to try one like that...
2014/07/24 23:07:30
Rain
For anyone interested - I know Spacealf mentioned the Casino Coupe - Casino Coupe and Riviera P-93 Awarded Guitar World Platinum Award for Excellence!
 
FWIW...
 
Man, now I'm drooling over the Lennon-esque natural finish Casino.:P
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