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2015/08/12 16:03:44
Beepster
FWIW I've used R-Mix in SPlat. I think when I did it was Braintree but I may be doing some stuff with it soon as well (currently still on dorchester but may dl/install the more recent updates beforehand).
2015/08/12 16:58:18
clintmartin
Thanks fellows! Now that work is over, play can begin. I do have R-mix and have tried, but so far not very good results. You guys have given me an idea though.
I'm going to clone the track and filter out everything I can and see if I can blend the two...basically turning up the snare and kick with the clone. I'll be back.
2015/08/12 18:16:38
mettelus
I believe you have Audition, and the noise removal tool can also be used like an EQ. The nice additional feature that has is monitoring the noise being removed. You can set that and adjust till it bites into the HH then back it off a bit.
2015/08/12 19:57:39
clintmartin
I do have Audition, but I haven't used it for much more than editing peaks. I'll look into that too.
I always look at these little mistakes as learning opportunities. I could easily just get my drummer to come back over and redo the track (it's pretty straight forward), but learning how to fix things, and taking the time to learn how to use the tools...is a very valuable thing I think. I'm working way too hard and long on the bass part for example. I could have re-recorded it 50 times by now, but I'm learning some good things. Like how much damage Audio Snap can do! Hahaha! That thing is pretty much worthless.
2015/08/12 23:44:38
synkrotron
Hi Clint,
 
Only if you have the time... Could you send me a copy of the drum track, even if it's only an eight bar section or something? I'd like to see how Melodyne handles percussion.
 
Might come to nought...
 
 
cheers
 
andy
2015/08/13 04:49:05
Rimshot
I think Bit and/or Bapu nailed it.
2015/08/13 08:19:36
bitflipper
I should have added to the description of my convoluted method above that it worked because a) the drum track was fairly sparse and b) I subsequently used sample substitution on the kick. These two factors minimized the unwanted suppression of other instruments such as cymbal tails being modulated by the hats.
 
If faced with the same scenario today, I'd probably try MDynamicEQ first, a tool I did not have back then.
2015/08/13 13:39:13
papacucku
OK, that makes more sense. That is what I understood about sidechaining compressors. 
 
Also on audio snap.  I have lost many many hours on it.  It can work well in short spurts, on smaller sections,  if you enable it, make the moves correctly (removing and adding the correct markers)  and bounce to clip immediately then making sure its off.  It is not something you can leave on for three or four sessions and assume its going to hold true.
 
I re-snapped the same drum tracks with overheads about 10 times before I figured out all the little nuances. Hours and hours upon hours.  At one point it would all preview correctly and look correct in the timeline but render incorrectly?  I don't think it handles tempo changes either, but I may be getting confused with melodyne.  
2015/08/13 14:38:26
clintmartin
I think I'm just going to re-record the drums...I can't find any method that is working well. The problem being the hi hat takes up a large span of frequencies. I'm just gutting everything else when I apply the amount of filter it needs.
2015/08/13 16:27:41
Wouter Schijns
Clint are you sure you have no autosave copy of the Sonar project with the hats track ?
If you have autosave enabled that is...
Iic you won't be able to open such autosave file from within Sonar.
But the autosave copies all sorted on time are in the Windows folder registry in the same folder where the project is.
(the files don't have a Sonar icon, but a 'piece of paper' icon, doubleclick them let's you choose to open it with Sonar).
Like your music,playing and the songs....reminds me a bit of Robben Ford...nice music.
If I may reach a suggestion, I think the totally awesome guitars would come out even better with the processing a bit down, and the fader up. That's just my opinion as a music fan.
best of luck
 
 
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