2014/06/23 21:48:37
KenB123
Beatles fan? Want to know the real start of this group? If you are patient and enjoy details, the book “Tune In: The Beatles: All These Years” by Mark Lewisohn is a great read. It is big though. I read the Kindle version which is just under 900 pages. Being a casual reader, it kept me busy for a couple months.
 
Bottom line, I found it fascinating. This book is planned as book 1 of 3 (unfortunately there is no word as yet on when the others will be released). This one took 10-years to write. Be forewarned, this book goes to the end of the year 1962 and stops there. 1962 was a big year of change for The Beatles. They had “love Me Do” on the charts; Ringo was now in the band; Brian Epstein was their manager; George Martin has started believing in them; and they had fan clubs and people noticing them beyond Liverpool. Their lives were about to change dramatically.
 
Mr. Lewisohn covers a lot on the songs that captured the early Beatles interests. Mainly American artists, and they liked the B-sides a lot. The reality is that they were a great cover band when playing the Hamburg clubs and the Cavern Club. And they had that special talent to take someone else’s song and make it their own.
 
John Lennon once stated that The Beatles were just a very good band that became very popular. No doubt that is very true. They were bigger than life to all of us young fans back in 1964 USA. To me this book very much humanized the Fab Four, and showed them as people who loved listening to music, playing music, performing, and subsequently dedicated their teenage years to doing so. They learned well and became masters at it. And they did it ‘their way’.  
 
Enough babbling. Just wanted to recognize a great read if this type of book interests you.
2014/06/23 22:05:33
Rain
Does indeed sound like a potentially fascinating book. I've always dug reading about musician's formative years, and the Beatles were particularly interesting in that respect - bears witness the Live at the Star Club double LP and the very hectic material on it.
2014/06/23 23:29:26
KenB123
Rain
Does indeed sound like a potentially fascinating book. I've always dug reading about musician's formative years, and the Beatles were particularly interesting in that respect - bears witness the Live at the Star Club double LP and the very hectic material on it.

The StarClub album hopefully is my next purchase. I want to hear them as they were back then. Reviews state it is lo-fi audio but I can accept that for the chance to experience what they were like before the big time started.
2014/06/24 00:00:43
craigb
Hmm... The Beatles.  I think I've heard of them.  Did they have any popular songs? 
2014/06/24 00:04:13
Jeff Evans
They say the book 'Lennon' by Tim Riley is the most accurate and detailed account of any Beatles history. I have read it and it too was a big book. It explains in great detail the influences on John etc (Elvis) and the others and what they were listening to at the time before the Beatles even got off the ground.
 
But on saying that this book also sounds excellent and looks like it could be very interesting as well. I would love to have heard them at their peak in Hamburg at the time towards the end of their 3 year stint before they came back to England. They say around then the band was playing real well.
2014/06/24 02:04:47
Rain
KenB123
Rain
Does indeed sound like a potentially fascinating book. I've always dug reading about musician's formative years, and the Beatles were particularly interesting in that respect - bears witness the Live at the Star Club double LP and the very hectic material on it.

The StarClub album hopefully is my next purchase. I want to hear them as they were back then. Reviews state it is lo-fi audio but I can accept that for the chance to experience what they were like before the big time started.



As a Beatles fan - a really hardcore one at that - and as a musician, that record holds a very special place in my heart. It's an album I discovered at a time when I was playing those odd places with people a lot older than I was - as was the crowd - and we had to have lots of material because we'd be on for hours, a bit like the early Beatles were in Germany.
 
A lot of the songs I've learned and got the band to play in those days came directly from that album, stuff which was rather obscure (to me, anyway), like Lend me your Comb or Your Feet's too Big, Red Sails in the Sunset or even the classics which I haven't been exposed to like To Know Her (him) is to Love Her (him)...
 
For me it was fun because I felt like I was playing Beatles music, but the vast majority of the audience had no idea the Beatles had ever played those songs. So it was as if I was getting to put twice as much Beatles songs on the set list, incognito.
 
More than the just the songs, it's the spirit. Somehow that album which documented what represented their bootcamp did set the exemple for me.
2014/06/24 09:06:43
KenB123
Very interesting, Rain. You are apparently well versed in the Beatles underground music (so to speak). I was not even aware of the Star Club recordings until reading this book.  I have been learning a lot about their early song choices since reading this book.
 
I put the "Lennon" book indicated by Jeff on my wishlist.
 
One bit of information that just tickled me in the "Tune In' book was that the Cavern Club use to have lunchtime sessions. Bands would play a 1-2 hour sets during the weekday lunch hour, and teenagers or 20-somethings could take a midday break from school or work and head over to the Cavern Clucb for some music. Can you imagine that? Seeing The Beatles or Gerry and the Pacemakers during a long lunchbreak. Then head back to school or work. Liverpool must have been a fun place. Nothing like that ever occurred in my neck of the woods. Evenings and weekends were it. 
2014/06/24 09:22:34
michaelhanson
Jeff, the thing that I really liked about Tim Riley's book was that if gave you the true "unpolished" side of the Beatles story, personalities and influences.  A lot of what I have read over the last 20-30 years has been, sort of, an image that the press manufactured for the Beatles, overlooking their individual faults, while polishing up their legacy.  This book doesn't do that, like you say, seems to be very historically accurate.  It not only gives you a lot of insight as what influenced Lennon, to be Lennon....but also gives you a lot of the same insight into McCartney.  You begin to understand their complex relationship.
2014/06/24 09:41:00
Moshkiae
Hi,
 
I'm not a great fan of a lot of these books.
 
But that is not to say that some of them are not good, or worth while reads.
 
In general, and I get it, since I was "there" for the whole time of their work, but when others have no idea and are not aware of what it took for folks to understand how they got to where they were.
 
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At that time, radio was not inventive and it was all pop music. Different musics and countries and styles kinda didn't exist, because no one ever heard any of them! American media is too controlled by large companies that still have it, 50 years later, and still publish a "Variety" and "Top Ten" so they can pat themselves in the back and convince you that you need to buy one of these top ten items!
 
And we, of course, still believe it!
 
It took many things, like Pirate Radio stations off the England coast and many others to bust the big bubble of control that was the BBC. Mind you, that the BBC alone, was the single most important innovator in comedy in the 1950's, so not seeing them expand the music was really weird, but by the time 1963 and 1964 came around, they were already on the  side of the Beatles and Rolling Stones and Kinks, but in a marginal way ... they can not be said to have ignored them.
 
Of all the things that tell me more than what people think, and write about the Beatles, the bootlegs were excellent, as was the movie "Let It Be" that a few morons are hiding and waiting for Paul and Ringo to die, so they do not have to pay them a billion! I guess they won't have to wait too much longer!
 
The 1st bootleg that I heard was "Let It Be" (there were about 20 of them all told with outtakes of every thing except the toilet flushing!), but then the original version of the film was longer, and 2 years later the release was missing 20 minutes that had taken out some parts that had John and Yoko, because in the earlier version you could see a stage hand mistreating her, and later an accidental blurb by another Beatle. These moments were visible in several bootlegs that had the dialogue parts and many of the pieces of music that were taken out of the film due to whatever restrictions, and many of these were fun things. If anything, these bit showed 4 men and their pressures and how they disagreed or agreed and how they did things. I vividly remember George getting pee'd off and saying ... I'll it if you want it, and if you don't I won't play it ... and it probably was about his own lead or rhythm part, and then they break into "Across the Universe".
 
Before all this, and 2 years prior, I saw, and got, "The Beatles Christmas Shows". I had no idea what these were, and come to find out that they are 7 Christmas Shows they did at the BBC for their fan club and these shows tell you a LOT about their relationship and in the last one it's just John having his fun and no one else showed up, which ought to tell you how much care and respect they all had for the rest, OR, how tired of it all they were already. But John, evern the more political and emotional of them, showed up and dedicated the show to kids and such, and he went on to do the same thing in his own albums.
 
I do not feel that there is a gorilla, or a zombie, or an arsenichole behind any of them 4 folks, and any more reads are now no different than a flash into the past and a romanticized version of it all. To me, the greater crime is that the stuff that was on those bootlegs, that tell you more about the PERSON will never be heard, found or seen, and this is the part that the "media" controls, to make sure you have your HEROES lined up properly so the money goes to the right people and places!
 
I'm just tired of that sheep dip!
 
In so many ways, these "biographies" are such a strong attempt for us to get back to the movie days of 60 and 70 years ago and the "star", that it has a tendency to distort things, and make you feel inferior, because they have something you don't. So you're an idiot? Bull!
 
If you want to read something interesting and much more up front about the 60's and it's time and place, go read the biography of Marianne Faithfull. It's way better, well written and magnificently told, and it does not have to talk about the sordid moments, because she does it herself and pulls no punches on herself or anyone else. It is that honest. But I'm tired of seeing these ashkissers that were around the Beatles trying to get another dollar off them again! 
2014/06/24 10:09:10
craigb
A quick scan of Pedro's reply and I seem to recall seeing sheep and bull. 
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