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2014/06/20 16:16:15
spacealf
It is just the live videos that some or a lot of people look for.
It took 20 years for Dakarta Indonesia to have this group show up to play at the 2009 Java Jazz Fest in Dakarta.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvs7sQa83Es
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1usMNeJwizI
 
By the way the first video was not from 2001 as stated, it was from about 1987-89 and the I think the original group. (drummer is well funny to me (just my opinion which does not mean much anyway).
Changed by the time they got to Dakota, but still playing the same song at places (along with others) still in 2013.
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Like other videos more recent still from there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUt_pnutRtI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtEveLORb3Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLu_FOa1S_c

In case you were not anywhere around at any Fest anywhere I guess. Especially in Indonesia.
I think though that 20 years ago that would not have happened over there in that part of the world.
 
 
2014/06/20 17:01:17
sharke
paulo
Couldn't give a rat's arse to be honest. If YT ceases to be what I use it for, then I won't use it any more. Simples.
Google's ownership has already ruined it to some extent anyway IMO, but at the end of the day they, or anyone else, are not obliged to provide a free platform for other people to promote themselves, so I don't get why anyone should feel that anything they do is "unfair".


Quite. The trouble is that there comes a point when something becomes so widely used that people start looking upon it as some kind of publicly owned resource that they have a "right" to. Why don't these snubbed artists pool their money and come up with an alternative video site?
2014/06/20 17:58:43
dubdisciple
I agree with sharke. As crappy as this is, it just opens up more opportunities. YouTube has steadily gone down hill anywany since Google acquired it.

The idea that serious music listeners don't use YouTube is false. The thing I like about YouTube is one of the things that will likely disapear, the ability to find music difficult to find anywhere else. Music only exists on Spotify, Pandora, etc to the degree someone can monotize that music. If a song is not on some distributor's catalog forget finding it on another service.

YouTube's contribution to current culture is its value in world scale attention whoring. The moment this ability is too crippled, other social networks will pick up slack.
2014/06/20 22:43:39
craigb
When I'm checking out some new music (truly "new" or just new to me), I only use YouTube, so that's my take.  I've never even used Pandora or Spotify.
2014/06/20 22:51:38
sharke
Spotify is quite good for finding new music - if you're listening to a track you like, you can click to start a radio station "based" on that track. You'll get loads more tracks of approximately the same vibe. I'm not sure how it's worked out but I've found loads of new stuff like this. There are also Spotify apps you can load up, like Pitchfork, which are great ways to find new bands as well.
2014/06/20 23:45:19
craigb
Hmm...  Sounds interesting!  I'll have to give that a try (except that I have SOOOOOO much great new music that I've been exposed to over the last couple of years, I probably need to spend more time with that first - hehe...).
2014/06/21 00:05:53
Rain
This has got me wondering about the urge to discover new music - almost as if music was disposable or if there was a race or a challenge or something...
 
I've always enjoyed discovering new bands, but, there used to be some pretty severe limitation as to just how much music you could discover in a week. And while I loved to discover new bands, I also wore out my vinyls and tapes.
 
Nowadays, I'm potentially unwillingly exposed to 1000 times more new music than I ever was when I was looking.
 
Personally, I still love it when I can find a record that I can listen to over and over again - because that's what music was always all about for me. I want it to become part of my life, just like Ozzy's Diary of a Madman or KISS Alive. Those albums weren't just good - they meant something to me. This puts certain restrictions on my ability to discover new music. 
 
Few recent albums seem to work like that for me, but every now and then, I find a gem or an undiscovered treasure from the past. And then, there's still tons of music which I am aware of but haven't got the time to listen to.
 
Honestly, I feel it'd be much sadder thing if I didn't get to really familiarize myself with the work of certain classical composers than to miss on a few dozens of pop or rock bands.
 
To each his own I guess. :)
2014/06/21 00:13:38
craigb
Although I agree about 98%, as I've been OD'ing on new music, I've definitely found a few that made me stop and play an album over and over.  There was just "something" about them that was different for me.  Republic Tigers - Keep Color,  Magenta (the Norway Magenta) - Art & Accidents, Djam Karet - The Trip and a few others (including several albums from Eloy).  I probably never would have discovered any of these if members of this forum and other forums hadn't mentioned them and YouBoob didn't have the albums to listen to...  One forum I'm in we make it a requirement to include a YouBoob link if possible. 
2014/06/21 10:06:09
bitflipper
Finding new music that I like is such a rare occurrence that when it happens it's like Christmas morning when I was 8 years old.
 
But my real passion is finding old music that I either didn't know about or didn't pay attention to when it was current. Such gems can be purchased on CD for $4 to $10, so even though I primarily listen on a portable MP3 player I also have a hard-copy backup in a shoebox if I ever need it. I don't usually buy MP3s and I will never store my purchases "in the cloud", thank you very much. Having a CD also means I can rip a high-quality version of a song to use as a mix reference.
 
I really wanted Pandora Radio to be a resource, but it doesn't work well for me. Not enough indie music there, too much emphasis on "hit songs", and the association algorithm is often laughably bad. Same for YouTube, come to think of it.
 
I've actually gotten more referrals from Coffee House posts than any other source. Maybe it's just because all you old geezers have similar tastes to my own. Maybe it's time for another "list your favorite bands nobody knows about" thread.
2014/06/21 11:20:39
sharke
I think YouTube's "suggested" algorithm went downhill after Google took it over. Used to be a time when all of those videos on the right hand column would be associated with the one you were watching in interesting, meaningful ways. Now they're sticking in a lot more videos which are based on your viewing history, as well as other videos from the YouTube user who uploaded the video you're watching (regardless of how unrelated they may be). So the results are much less interesting. I remember spending hours surfing through those suggests videos - now it's much less insightful.
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