2014/05/14 13:42:53
craigb
UbiquitousBubba
I watched my subconscious mind whip up a dream. It was a bad one involving rabid wolves, a P.E. coach, being buried up to my eyes in fire ants, and a beginner's banjo class. 



A beginner's banjo class??!!!  How cruel!!!  
2014/05/14 16:15:30
Old55
I once dreamt I was posing for a portrait--by H. R. Giger.  I may have inspired his work on Alien. 
2014/05/14 17:32:25
Old55
Mesh
Wow Bubba!! Impressive!!
That's a volume of info to digest........my mind is just shutting down in this futile attempt to absorb it.......like getting hit by a semi-truck. 
 
Well done!!
 
 
 
 
 
 
(I'm going for the no brainer........BECAN!!)


Why wouldn't you get hit by the whole truck? 
2014/05/14 18:14:01
craigb
Maybe two semi-trucks = one whole truck?
2014/05/15 20:15:38
Moshkiae
Dreams!
 
Have been writing many things off my dreams for 30 years. I use poetry for all my visions, and the main difference is that visions are harder to describe in detail, and for me, tend to be more about my mental observation states than anything else. Visions are kind of "seeing it now", whereas Dreams, for me, tend to be more evaluation and oversight of my daily life.
 
I am writing a bunch of my dreams on my website in regards to a lot of moments in rock music. However, some of the contents will tend to distort and hurt the idealism surrounding "hit" and "fame" in some of these people.
 
I have one suggestion!
 
Get a pencil, paper and put it on the little table next to the bed. When you wake up, write it. You have to promise yourself you won't read any of these until 30 days are gone. (Date the top of the page!)
 
The not reading is important, to help lessen the "emotional" attachment to what you see, so you can better learn how to interpret what you saw. Only on the 31st day, so to speak, can you look back at that one day and tomorrow the next day.
 
This is only an experiment, not a fact, in my case, because I have written from my dreams over and over again, to the point where I can re-start them if I want to and need to see where else it will go. It does not always make itself "clear" but at least I was able to re-start it.
 
Eventually, you learn that the "story" itself is not important, but that the way you "see" things is way more valuable a teacher, and allows you to go way much further in, if you so feel the need, and are willing to undertake the work to do so.
 
For me, the best book that ever clarified the dream world for me, I had already been tied to my dreams for 10 years then, was the book "The Art of Dreaming". Despite its difficult analogies and sometimes over bearing sense of "this is", when you put that aside, no one, EVER, has put together such a nice road map, for what you can and can not do. There is a part that is difficult for all of us, that he calls "unknown" and "unknowable", and I tend to think that was his way of saying that this separates the student from the master, but I will accept it.
 
Similarly, things like "The Bardo" (Tibet) uses the analogies of dragons, because in our inner visions we do not recognize the places and it makes us afraid. Dealing with that fear of the unknown, ends up being the biggest teach of all out there and the single biggest symbol and lesson there is to the inner core of our own soul.
 
There are other fine books out there, and Robert Monroe's 1st and 2nd are very good and can be scary at the same time, but they "blur" the line between dreams and out of the body experiences, which for me are the same thing, not two separate disciplines.
 
At this point, it is NEVER about what it means, as it is about how much do you really want to learn and understand! The rest is easy and fun! And you can be a kid in the playground all you want to ... how much do you want to?
2014/05/15 22:11:11
sharke
I once did the dream diary thing. I'd wake up and scrawl some barely intelligible descriptions on a writing pad and then read them before I went to bed the following night. My dreams started having a common thread through them and they eventually become lucid. The only trouble was that the lucid dreams blew my mind so much that I'd invariably wake myself up. 
2014/05/15 22:17:41
craigb
I love lucid dreaming!  I've read the books, got the tapes and even have a couple of devices you can wear that will signal you when you're in REM sleep.  But, you're right, they are so mind blowing that it's difficult to remain asleep once you realize that you're actually dreaming.
 
For those that have never had one, imagine a world that's not limited by your senses (so colors and lighting can become even brighter than when awake) plus you can completely change everything around you.  Until you have a real one, you really can't understand...
2014/05/16 10:06:00
Moshkiae
craigb
I love lucid dreaming!  I've read the books, got the tapes and even have a couple of devices you can wear that will signal you when you're in REM sleep.  But, you're right, they are so mind blowing that it's difficult to remain asleep once you realize that you're actually dreaming.
 
For those that have never had one, imagine a world that's not limited by your senses (so colors and lighting can become even brighter than when awake) plus you can completely change everything around you.  Until you have a real one, you really can't understand...


Nice.  I like to say that there is NOTHING to understand, once we learn to simply let go, and just appreciate the process and it will be a while, past the imagery, before you "find" something that you can work with. The hard part is that this is not a one day thing, because our minds/upbringing has been at it for years, and we're not used to having it all scrambled and "changed".
 
Eventually, you will find that it is really no more than just a t-shirt or shoe that you changed, but we take this stuff differently and we change some of its "themes" into religion, because (at times) we do not trust ourselves and our own ability to do this without a "teacher", or "overseer", which to me is a strong statement of our lack of independence.
 
I assimilate a lot of these moments when I hear folks here say ... I want to play rock'n'roll, or "progressive" or "jazz", because in the end, they are not finding the person within, which means that their ability to create something that will be noticeable and appreciated just took a serious hit. It lacks "personality" since the molding point was an image in the first case! The veritable "graven image" if you need to really know what it means ... I call it the "book" (or image) between you/I and the reality.
2014/05/16 16:02:53
UbiquitousBubba
As far back as I can remember, I've enjoyed starting my dreams while I'm awake. They're the best part of the day, so why would I want to sleep through them? I'd create the characters, determine the setting, choose a few future plot twist options, close my eyes, and enjoy the show. Frequently, the dream would run for several nights, picking up where it had left off the night before. Many dreams even had their own soundtrack and some characters had a theme song. 
 
In the morning, I'd wake up and complain to my alarm clock, "Hey! I was watching that!" Somehow, the physical world always seemed less interesting to me than the larger one inside my head. Sometimes, waking up feels like leaving a 3D IMAX HD theater with amazing 7.1 DTS sound and stepping into a 9 inch grainy black and white image with a 1 inch mono speaker. Most mornings, my horizontal hold goes out and I have to keep twisting things around and messing with the antenna before the picture stabilizes.
 
Coffee helps.
2014/06/08 17:26:20
sharke
Just thought I'd revive this threat momentarily because I came across this video on YouTube of a guy getting in an elevator which shoots upwards at 50mph before slamming into the roof. Video title has a curse word in it so I'm not embedding it. Just take a look. It's like my nightmare, but real. This hasn't done anything to make me less nervous about getting in the damn things. The horror!
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYy7xYRrZh0
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