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2014/05/13 21:13:29
Dave Modisette
cclarry
This is starting to grow on me...the more I use it...

While the sound is good...it's not at good as it could be,
But the other features are pretty useful....
While they all can be done without EZ 2...I'm finding it convenient
to have it "all in one place".  It's definitely a facilitator....
And that was the goal...so that's a success for EZ 2....

This is the main benefit of EZKeys as well...write the song...
Change the key/chords...transfer the MIDI to a track and go...

Toontrack excels at being "EZ".....


I feel like it really shows how everyone has different likes and dislikes about drum sound.  Me, I installed Addictive Drums once again after demoing it and not liking in, getting it as a freebie with SONAR and never installing it and finally trying it again and not putting it on my new computer.

I dunno, AD sounds sort of fake to me.  I don't know what it is about it. Are they using modeling in the ambience or something?  The EZdrummer kits sound more like I would expect a pre-recorded kit to sound like if I was sent a series of drum tracks.  Granted, you are stuck with whatever the recording engineer sent you but I'm OK with that.
 
I also had a look at the AD2 demo and one thing I did like was the bigger GUI window but that could change if I was working on a project.
2014/05/13 21:37:45
gmon72
I also find the stock sounds awful on addictive drums. However Fairfax and Indie sound pretty good. This bring an ezdrummer 2 thread, I'll chime in that I like it a lot too. I have almost all the Ezx and it's fun being able to mix and match. My only tiny complaint, based on the response I got on the toontrack forum, is that toontrack won't expand the Yamaha mapping for other Yamaha kits. xlnaudio, slate and fxpansion figured it out. It would probably take an negligible amount of time to add a few more mappings. Not sure why considering all the polishing toontrack put into the product that that are happy to leave the Yamaha mapping half baked. Not a deal breaker, just a little odd to me.
2014/05/13 21:59:44
cclarry
Mod Bod
cclarry
This is starting to grow on me...the more I use it...

While the sound is good...it's not at good as it could be,
But the other features are pretty useful....
While they all can be done without EZ 2...I'm finding it convenient
to have it "all in one place".  It's definitely a facilitator....
And that was the goal...so that's a success for EZ 2....

This is the main benefit of EZKeys as well...write the song...
Change the key/chords...transfer the MIDI to a track and go...

Toontrack excels at being "EZ".....



I dunno, AD sounds sort of fake to me.  I don't know what it is about it. Are they using modeling in the ambience or something?  The EZdrummer kits sound more like I would expect a pre-recorded kit to sound like if I was sent a series of drum tracks.  Granted, you are stuck with whatever the recording engineer sent you but I'm OK with that.
 
I also had a look at the AD2 demo and one thing I did like was the bigger GUI window but that could change if I was working on a project.



I find nothing even close to fake about the AD sounds...especially in AD2...
To me...EZ 2 sounds more fake...more processed...the cymbals are very
"Metalic" sounding....and you really can't change that...
In AD...you go in, turn off the effects...and you have a stock kit again...
and I think everyone fails to remember that.  The "Presets" ARE just that...
ALL effects and everything in PLACE to give "That sound" that is "represented"
by the "Preset" ...

I actually find it the complete exact opposite...

I know you can "somewhat" do the same in EZ...but I just don't
like what I hear after that...

I think EZ 2 is better then EZ....

NONE of them hold a candle to BFD 3 IMO....not even close...
But I think AD is far closer then EZ2 is....but that's just me...

But, as I said, being able to build songs "in the box" is what sets this apart...
Same with EZKeys...
2014/05/13 23:43:57
Glyn Barnes
Mod Bod
I feel like it really shows how everyone has different likes and dislikes about drum sound.  Me, I installed Addictive Drums once again after demoing it and not liking in, getting it as a freebie with SONAR and never installing it and finally trying it again and not putting it on my new computer.



I was underwhelmed when I tried Addictive Drums I got with X3. But in fairness it was shortly after getting BFD3.
 
I am really still on the learning curve with BFD3 but I think it has some of the best kits out there and it will be using it a lot in future.
 
My most used kits over the last year or so are.
Toontrack Metal Foundary SDX - I don't do metal as such but these kits are great for all sorts of Rock.
Toontrack Custom and Vintage SDX
Toontrack Indi Folk EZX
 
Any way back on topic, if I do get EZD2, and that is not certain yet, it will be for the groove tools, any extra kits will be a bonus.
 
2014/05/14 00:01:13
yorolpal
Welp...what I've always said is let your music do the talking. I always try to listen very carefully to folks actual projects and see what their instrument and mix settings sound like. I still think it's more what you do with what you have than just what you have. I have one particular tune that has an AD kit on it that I cannot get the same sound with any of my other drums. I also have a tune that has BFD2 on it that I just can't seem to get a more "right" sound on using any other emulator. That said everything else I do is mostly EZD, SD and Slate. It's just personal preference. Use what you like. But don't fool yourself into thinking that it's ever anything more than that. Rationalization is, more often than not, just that.
2014/05/14 00:45:01
mixmkr
yorolpal
Welp...what I've always said is let your music do the talking. I always try to listen very carefully to folks actual projects and see what their instrument and mix settings sound like. I still think it's more what you do with what you have than just what you have.

I agree.   That said, some people's stuff in their links just blows me away and I end up studying what they've done and see if I can get similar results.
 
2014/05/14 02:41:23
montezuma
Do they have any casual grooves...country crossed with light folk drum work crossed with understated rhythm loops complemented with casual fills that don't rip your head off?
2014/05/14 09:48:36
Grem
A lot of those "tear you head off" beats are really workable if you slow them down and lower the velocity of the clips.

Now with EZD2 it is much easier to do this. Find the midi groove you want and drag/drop in EZD2 and it will find stuff for you. From that list you should find something that you can work with.

But to answer your question, TT does have a folk EZX, but I haven't listened to it yet. They have demos on their website of all their EZX's.
2014/05/14 10:43:11
jmasno5
I sent this to Toontrack this morning:
"Superior Drummer 2.0 is not finding my EZ Drummer 2 (Modern and Vintage) Kits or the Pop Rock kit automatically. I navigated to the sound libraries but now it asked me to authorize even though they are and play fine in my EZ Drummer 2 program. Something is not right."
 
Any fellow Sonarians in the same boat?  Also, is there a was to search only this thread? 
 
Toontrack responed:
 
Toontrack Support (Toontrack)
May 14 10:40 AM
"The EZdrummer 2 sound libraries cannot yet be used in Superior 2.0. There will be a Superior software update released to address this issue, however we do not have the ETA for this update."
2014/05/15 03:17:55
montezuma
Just tried out the demo...song creator...tap out a slow beat...quite a slow and deliberate beat with kick and snare...simple...right on time to my song...drag and drop that midi to get ezdrummer suggestions...
 
WOW!!!
 
In true Ezdrummer style I've been bombarded with suggestions that sound like they were played by a drumming octopus on crack or PCP.
 
LOL
 
Outrageously fast and insanely complicated suggestions for my SLOW simple tapped beat.
 
WTF???
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