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2014/05/15 22:31:16
cecelius2
cclarry
Adjust the "tempo" to the song tempo....



Click on the Tempo and the tempo adjustment slider will show up...that should help...

Oddly enough, I could not find "Sync To host" anywhere....

But, for the click to be in time with the song you must make sure the Tempo in EZ matches the tempo of the song...I think....
 
 

 
Someone on the TT forum noted that there is a "follow host" enable button.  See post number 3 on this thread:
http://www.toontrack.com/forum/requests-and-feedback/get-tap-2-find-to-sync-with-our-hosts/
 
[I have not yet purchased EZD2, but when I saw your sync issue, I found this link and hope it helps.  I am waiting for  TT to get the bugs out and issue an update before I purchase; definitely going to buy it, but will wait until the kinks are ironed out.]
2014/05/16 00:01:59
montezuma
Hmmm so it seems that due to technical issues EZD2 is unable to sync with your DAW tempo. I must have watched a misleading marketing video then from Toontrack because in that video the guy recorded guitar...then played back that guitar track in his DAW and used Tap to Find in EZD2. He must have hit play in his DAW exactly on the click track in EZD2. Because the click track in EZD2 won't synch with your DAW...you'll have the click from EZD2 clicking away way off sync with your DAW when you have its click/ metronome enabled. So the only way to get them sycned is to hit play on your DAW right on...bang on the click you hear in EZD2...a terribly unreliable way to go.
 
The video I saw showed the guy just Tapping to Find right over the top of his guitar track. So how did he sync up the EZD2 metronome and his DAW metronome??
 
No doubt I'm missing something
 
Although someone did just note this on the Toontrack site linked earlier:
 
Funny, It's working now.
Perhaps there is a certain sequence that needs to take place. ???
If I start the playback of my Instrument (MIDI) track and then click on the play arrow in the T2F window, they DO sync up.
Sorry about that.
2014/05/16 00:33:23
Grem
I have no problem with EZD2 sync'ing with X3.
 
I have not used the "Tap To Find" option yet, but I have drug clips into and out of EZD2 like crazy for at least three different songs all at different tempos. And I have drug midi clips I made from a song into the Tap to find box and it worked perfectly. And all the clips that came up as relevant all played in the same tempo of the song it was in.
2014/05/16 00:46:33
Grem
I also wanted to ask this to everyone:
 
Is anyone also noticing that EZD2 is playing "better?"
 
IOW, it sounds more like a real drummer to me.  I just thought it was me and being excited about a new product. But my wife came in and listened to one of my new songs and the first thing she said was "Is that the new EZD?" i told her yes and she said she could tell the difference right off the bat.
 
Anyone else noticing that the drummer is more in the groove?
2014/05/16 01:18:38
montezuma
Grem
I have no problem with EZD2 sync'ing with X3.
 
I have not used the "Tap To Find" option yet, but I have drug clips into and out of EZD2 like crazy for at least three different songs all at different tempos. And I have drug midi clips I made from a song into the Tap to find box and it worked perfectly. And all the clips that came up as relevant all played in the same tempo of the song it was in.




Well this is the hub of the conversation regarding 'syncing' at the moment. Yes...dragging mdi clips in is fine...LOL if that didn't work.
 
It's the Tap to Find thing that I for one am wondering how to sync with my DAW (I use Studio One 2 these days)
2014/05/16 05:02:49
3dmus
montezuma
Hmmm so it seems that due to technical issues EZD2 is unable to sync with your DAW tempo. I must have watched a misleading marketing video then from Toontrack because in that video the guy recorded guitar...then played back that guitar track in his DAW and used Tap to Find in EZD2. He must have hit play in his DAW exactly on the click track in EZD2. Because the click track in EZD2 won't synch with your DAW...you'll have the click from EZD2 clicking away way off sync with your DAW when you have its click/ metronome enabled. So the only way to get them sycned is to hit play on your DAW right on...bang on the click you hear in EZD2...a terribly unreliable way to go.
 
The video I saw showed the guy just Tapping to Find right over the top of his guitar track. So how did he sync up the EZD2 metronome and his DAW metronome??
 
No doubt I'm missing something
 
Although someone did just note this on the Toontrack site linked earlier:
 
Funny, It's working now.
Perhaps there is a certain sequence that needs to take place. ???
If I start the playback of my Instrument (MIDI) track and then click on the play arrow in the T2F window, they DO sync up.
Sorry about that.




Hmm, yes, I have got the same issue....not that it is important to my workflow, but indeed I can't get the metronome to reliably synch with the host (sure the tempo synchs, but the measure-start doesn't automatically)
2014/05/16 05:49:43
Rain
I just did another quick test after I bounced a demo and noticed that it suffered from the same issue as everything I use EZ on.
 
Using two supposedly similar retro kits, one in Kontakt and one in EZ, both as flat as possible, I captured this EQ curve with Logic's Match EQ.  It shows the kind of EQ'ing required to get the Toontrack drums to sound closer to the (imho) relatively more natural sounding NI drums. 
 
 

 
Hence the scooped sound.

Pretty radical differences. And that's only the frequency domain. The dynamics are also incredibly different. 
2014/05/16 06:22:19
cclarry
Rain
I just did another quick test after I bounced a demo and noticed that it suffered from the same issue as everything I use EZ on.
 
Using two supposedly similar retro kits, one in Kontakt and one in EZ, both as flat as possible, I captured this EQ curve with Logic's Match EQ.  It shows the kind of EQ'ing required to get the Toontrack drums to sound closer to the (imho) relatively more natural sounding NI drums. 
 
 

 
Hence the scooped sound.

Pretty radical differences. And that's only the frequency domain. The dynamics are also incredibly different. 



Good info Rain...thanx!
2014/05/16 06:55:35
cclarry
montezuma
Hmmm so it seems that due to technical issues EZD2 is unable to sync with your DAW tempo. I must have watched a misleading marketing video then from Toontrack because in that video the guy recorded guitar...then played back that guitar track in his DAW and used Tap to Find in EZD2. He must have hit play in his DAW exactly on the click track in EZD2. Because the click track in EZD2 won't synch with your DAW...you'll have the click from EZD2 clicking away way off sync with your DAW when you have its click/ metronome enabled. So the only way to get them sycned is to hit play on your DAW right on...bang on the click you hear in EZD2...a terribly unreliable way to go.
 
The video I saw showed the guy just Tapping to Find right over the top of his guitar track. So how did he sync up the EZD2 metronome and his DAW metronome??
 
No doubt I'm missing something
 
Although someone did just note this on the Toontrack site linked earlier:
 
Funny, It's working now.
Perhaps there is a certain sequence that needs to take place. ???
If I start the playback of my Instrument (MIDI) track and then click on the play arrow in the T2F window, they DO sync up.
Sorry about that.



Ok...I brought EZ2 into a host that I had changed the default tempo on and it automatically synced.
There was also a "Follow Host" button down in the transport section that does not appear when
using it in stand alone...so that could be the issue, make sure the tempo is set correctly in the host
and EZ2 should follow it...
2014/05/16 08:04:10
3dmus
cclarry
montezuma
Hmmm so it seems that due to technical issues EZD2 is unable to sync with your DAW tempo. I must have watched a misleading marketing video then from Toontrack because in that video the guy recorded guitar...then played back that guitar track in his DAW and used Tap to Find in EZD2. He must have hit play in his DAW exactly on the click track in EZD2. Because the click track in EZD2 won't synch with your DAW...you'll have the click from EZD2 clicking away way off sync with your DAW when you have its click/ metronome enabled. So the only way to get them sycned is to hit play on your DAW right on...bang on the click you hear in EZD2...a terribly unreliable way to go.
 
The video I saw showed the guy just Tapping to Find right over the top of his guitar track. So how did he sync up the EZD2 metronome and his DAW metronome??
 
No doubt I'm missing something
 
Although someone did just note this on the Toontrack site linked earlier:
 
Funny, It's working now.
Perhaps there is a certain sequence that needs to take place. ???
If I start the playback of my Instrument (MIDI) track and then click on the play arrow in the T2F window, they DO sync up.
Sorry about that.



Ok...I brought EZ2 into a host that I had changed the default tempo on and it automatically synced.
There was also a "Follow Host" button down in the transport section that does not appear when
using it in stand alone...so that could be the issue, make sure the tempo is set correctly in the host
and EZ2 should follow it...



 The issue is not that the temp itself doesn't synch (it does, as long as the follow host button has been pushed), but that the DAW timeline is not necessarily in synch with the metronome in EZ2; i.e. it could be that the "1" of the metronome is on the 2nd beat of the DAW transport/timeline. It won't drift or anything (as the tempos are equal), but it's not in perfect synch (the one is not the one). I tested this in 2 hosts....but maybe I'm overlooking something
 
 
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