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2014/06/12 10:03:48
bapu
Are we talking big M or little m here?
2014/06/12 11:54:32
Digital Dream Division
Take your pick Bapu, I selected the uncompressed version to be mailed back but the version I put up was a 24 bit file, I found this out when I tried to burn a CD, I had to convert it in Sonar. I'll try and get the mix up later as I'm away from home at the moment. I'm not trying to plug this product but just wanted to know if you guys thought it did an acceptable job and was worth £11 a month for an unlimited amount of Masters.

Cheers
Steve.
2014/06/12 12:09:25
bitflipper
I thought they sent back a 192kb/s MP3 for the free trials. I was expecting to see truncated high frequencies in the file, but the one you posted does not appear to have ever been encoded to MP3. That's why I asked if it was the file you got back from them, the original file, or one you'd mastered yourself.
2014/06/12 12:32:20
Digital Dream Division
Sorry for the confusion, I paid for the uncompressed version I thought what the hell for £11 a month and I can cancel anytime if its rubbish, in for a penny as they say.

Cheers
Steve.
2014/06/12 15:57:29
Digital Dream Division
Ok here's the unmastered track,

https://www.dropbox.com/s...pp8n8oi/Precision3.wav

And this is the Landr master,

https://www.dropbox.com/s...AMD%20High%20Defin.wav

Cheers
Steve.
2014/06/12 18:01:54
bitflipper
That first link may be corrupt. I get a 42KB file that hangs Adobe Audition (never seen that happen before!).
2014/06/14 23:18:16
bitflipper
OK, so Steve (Digital Dream Division) kindly offered to send one of my own tunes up for the Landr treatment, since he's ponied up the monthly fee for the full service. Thanks, Steve!
 
I'll post three versions of it on my SoundCloud page: the unmastered version, my home-mastered version and the Landr-mastered version, so that you can hear and judge them for yourself. Links at the bottom of this post (I'm uploading them as I write this).
 
I have to admit, the results are better than expected. Their version is more aggressive and brighter (even though Steve asked for the Medium treatment) than my own. Average RMS was a reasonable -12 dB, only slightly higher than mine at -12.8 dB. Can't accuse them of squashing it to death in the name of "radio-ready".
 
The biggest difference was EQ. Here's a screenshot. The green line is the Landr master, the white line is mine. The analyzer is set for a 4 dB per octave slope; the difference looks greater at my usual 4.5 dB/oct setting. That's about a 6dB bump at 3.5 KHz.

 
There were definitely some elements that sounded better than in my own version, in particular the drums and percussion, which were better-defined due to the added brightness.
 
I did not, however, feel that the vocals and guitars benefited at all from the added 3-4 KHz bite. The lead guitars in particular sounded buzzy and thin and made me grit my teeth. However, this could be my own prejudice from having heard them differently for so long.
 
EQ wasn't the only change. As a comparison of amplitude histograms shows, the Landr master had reduced dynamic range over my version, with fewer quiet parts. You can hear this as greater apparent loudness.

 
I admit to a personal preference toward classic equalization curves, a prejudice probably formed in my early years when I listened only to classical music, up until about the age of 13. That's when I was corrupted by rock 'n roll and my hearing acuity began its decline. But even the prog rock stuff I cut my teeth on in the 70's typically had a 5 or 5.5 dB per octave slope, which sounds very different from today's brighter chart material at 3 to 4 db/oct. 
 
In other words, maybe I just like a mellower EQ because I'm an old fart.
 
Here are the links (both are 256 kb/s MP3s):
My version 
The Landr version
 
Want to try your hand at mastering the same tune? Here's the unmastered version (66MB FLAC).
2014/06/15 03:38:38
Digital Dream Division
Very insightful Bitflipper, as you know I had problems uploading to the site yesterday and thought it may be because it was a flac file so I converted it to a 24 bit wave in Sonar first, anyway the flac file worked this morning. I don't know if this made a difference to the sound but here is the new Wave file,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8ixo25t8556ajog/Limo.wav

Cheers
Steve.
2014/06/15 04:18:04
Digital Dream Division
Here's the slammed version, just to note they say there's going to be an update soon which allows for EQ settings to be changed,

https://www.dropbox.com/s...vrbo9xv/LandR-limo.wav

It's not as bad as I thought it was going to be, as I'd not tried the slammed settings before.

Cheers
Steve.
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