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I haven't heard back on my tkt that I opened yesterday w/Fxpansion.

 
So you only opened a ticket with fxpansion yesterday?
I don't understand how you can say they're 'boning' you when you only opened a ticket yesterday but then I'm not sure what you mean by, 'boning'
 
I thought you must have meant that they'd refused you an extra licence or that you hadn't heard back after weeks of trying. Given that you posted here on the same day you contacted fxpansion doesn't really give them much time.
As I said it's bank holiday weekend here in the UK so you may not here from them before Tuesday.
 
 
Steve

Second) its all on individual preference and I am entitled to give my views  and that is what the poster has asked for - So no harm in saying what is my recommendation based on about 5 years usage not 20 mins on the MD small, so I will take that as Joke Right considering you would not have had the time to utilise much at all.

 
Of course you're entitled to give your view as am I and 20 minutes was plenty of time to hear how bad the samples were, how few articulations there were for kit pieces, how clunky and unintuitive the interface was.
Obviously I could spend time learning how to use it but it would take a very long time as there is no manual. There is a help page which is really badly laid out.
 

Third) As the thread poster asks What drum VST? In this short space of time in the evolution of such software in relation to man kind and computers, I am sure the first drums kits where not as advanced as they are today, what would have happened if that attitude you adopt was adopted by others back in that day and that's goes for most things really where would we be as a evolving civilisation in your way of thinking probably the dark ages.

 
??? The above makes no sense to me, what attitude?
You mean the one that's able to decipher quality against crap?
 

Fourth) I am not sure if you see me as an easy target on account of my post by comparison and you being stupidly presumptions of how long I have been into this, no matter how poor understanding may be of what some may try to help with they are only being genuine in their wish to help another fellow human being, I am a nice genuine guy , for all you know I could be 15 with dreams and aspirations and a heart full of goodness and you just slated me and made me feel awful for what ?

 
 
At what point did I presume how long you'd been in to it? I made no presumptions at all.
I said, "Perhaps it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used". The clue is in the word, "Perhaps"and is in no way a presumption. If it were I would have said, "Obviously it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used"
Do you see the difference? The words, 'Perhaps' and Obviously have very different meanings.
 
I was slating the software and not you, get over it and try not to take it so personally
 
 

By the way I have been with cakewalk since V6 so quite a few years now, I love my technology and hardware in great depth as with my DAWs and software and I say extremely into it

 
Great.
 
It's just when you say things like

you have not seen anything like or will we gain, its a secret weapon

and

s long as you take time to learn you will never ever think about another

and then to cap it all you say

all other drum vst are mere babies toys by comparison

 
In the last sentence you've pretty much insulted BFD Eco BFD2 & BFD3 Superior Drummer 2 and Addictive Drums and all their fans and users. It just made you sound like some second hand car salesman talking gas.
 
So after watching videos, and then downloading the demo I figured for you to have called the others mere babies had to be a joke. The OP has been using BFD2 which is way better than mdrummer in very department and since you own geist I'd have thought you'd have some idea of the quality of fxpansions product range. Also given that the OP has been using BFD2 my guess would be that he wants both real acoustic drums and access to all the control and realism that BFD2 can offer.
 
Most of the sounds I hear in mdrummer are synthesised drum machine sounds and really bad and dated ones at that.
The acoustic kits on their website sound usable but nothing special.
 
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 

I use SD 2 and like the bleed options and all the mic options.  You can select close up or different rooms.  They are not reverbs but actual mic recordings.  
 
The bounce to audio feature is nice when you want to convert your multiout midi parts to actual wave files.  
 
It is very solid and responded better on my system than BFD2.  I down BDF2, AD, and EZDrummer.  I always go back to SD2.  My only complaint is that the mixer looks really small on my monitor.  I wish I could resize it.  

dubdisciple
Subajacent...I would not agree with anything you said. I think if something works for your needs who cares what others think of the product.

Off Course that is obviously correct , I never implied otherwise and I did sum it up more of less the same as you in paragraph two of last post prior to this where I put "Although at the end of the day it does not matter to much what I say overall as we all have different taste and preferences, all I do say is I hope that he finds his ideal drum VSTi"
 
:)  Note sure what else is to disagree with expect a difference of opinion maybe regarding MDrummer  :) 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

twaddle

Second) its all on individual preference and I am entitled to give my views  and that is what the poster has asked for - So no harm in saying what is my recommendation based on about 5 years usage not 20 mins on the MD small, so I will take that as Joke Right considering you would not have had the time to utilise much at all.

 
Of course you're entitled to give your view as am I and 20 minutes was plenty of time to hear how bad the samples were, how few articulations there were for kit pieces, how clunky and unintuitive the interface was.
Obviously I could spend time learning how to use it but it would take a very long time as there is no manual. There is a help page which is really badly laid out.
 

Third) As the thread poster asks What drum VST? In this short space of time in the evolution of such software in relation to man kind and computers, I am sure the first drums kits where not as advanced as they are today, what would have happened if that attitude you adopt was adopted by others back in that day and that's goes for most things really where would we be as a evolving civilisation in your way of thinking probably the dark ages.

 
??? The above makes no sense to me, what attitude?
You mean the one that's able to decipher quality against crap?
 

Fourth) I am not sure if you see me as an easy target on account of my post by comparison and you being stupidly presumptions of how long I have been into this, no matter how poor understanding may be of what some may try to help with they are only being genuine in their wish to help another fellow human being, I am a nice genuine guy , for all you know I could be 15 with dreams and aspirations and a heart full of goodness and you just slated me and made me feel awful for what ?

 
 
At what point did I presume how long you'd been in to it? I made no presumptions at all.
I said, "Perhaps it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used". The clue is in the word, "Perhaps"and is in no way a presumption. If it were I would have said, "Obviously it's the first and only drum vst you've ever used"
Do you see the difference? The words, 'Perhaps' and Obviously have very different meanings.
 
I was slating the software and not you, get over it and try not to take it so personally
 
 

By the way I have been with cakewalk since V6 so quite a few years now, I love my technology and hardware in great depth as with my DAWs and software and I say extremely into it

 
Great.
 
It's just when you say things like

you have not seen anything like or will we gain, its a secret weapon

and

s long as you take time to learn you will never ever think about another

and then to cap it all you say

all other drum vst are mere babies toys by comparison

 
In the last sentence you've pretty much insulted BFD Eco BFD2 & BFD3 Superior Drummer 2 and Addictive Drums and all their fans and users. It just made you sound like some second hand car salesman talking gas.
 
So after watching videos, and then downloading the demo I figured for you to have called the others mere babies had to be a joke. The OP has been using BFD2 which is way better than mdrummer in very department and since you own geist I'd have thought you'd have some idea of the quality of fxpansions product range. Also given that the OP has been using BFD2 my guess would be that he wants both real acoustic drums and access to all the control and realism that BFD2 can offer.
 
Most of the sounds I hear in mdrummer are synthesised drum machine sounds and really bad and dated ones at that.
The acoustic kits on their website sound usable but nothing special.
 
 
Steve
 
 
 
 
 

not an insult that is my opinion, although I do have a fondness for addictive Drums which is still really limited compared to MDummer and that is how I meant that, but in my eyes if you want to get really in-depth all others do seem like toys, okay they do a job but to me they feel more like toys for my personal need to tweak for originality, but for standard drum kit replication, nothing wrong with many of them in that sense, I do various genre of club music so I would think this way if I wanted more than a standard kit so just saying for those that wanted more options etc , MDrummer Its really fun once you pick it up with more room to expand your ideas than its competitors, that would have been best way to explain that so my apology's, but again if you looked at the bottom of my profile I still have links with using Addictive drums, so the toys part is just taken out of context of how I meant that. I personally can not see that comparison with MD as being Invalid if you know what MD can do and how deep its editing can be, I am not going to butter up how I speak and that being to the point of what I am thinking as long as it does not affect an individual in person, it looks to me like you just want to look for things to pick at and in my eyes it does also make you look like your just as bad as how you perceive me and you only homes in on one post with out reading my other where I had realised that it may come across wrong so I added a post to clear that up.   No harm done anyhow! I am not one that would jump on the bandwagon to protect MDrummer or what ever only to protect my character assassination, anyone is entitled to their views, fan boys just go way over the top and make things personal I do think like many others that fan boys can be OTT.
 
Anyhow its done and dusted confusion over I hope, and I don't feel any different in my views in regards to comparing MDrummer to these others . Although just to get this in I would not bring Fxpansions Geist or even machines Into equation as they offer different take on Drum Vsti,
although I could also say I think the Arturia virtual drum range of VSTi is quite good better than quite  a Few others I feel and I like Arturai spark etc although it still feels like a toy by comparison to MD(I refer to the editing capability's ) not the end result or overall sound, many Drum VSTi sound great.
 
Its okay don't take all this as a personal insult unless you think that I am justified after you think about it, again I apologies and also accept any coming my way.
 
 
 

Twaddle -I guess its all a big misunderstanding I did not want for it to come to this, I must admit I did jump the gun at first on thinking you where being personal and I had then thought I had edited all that out so I apologies for that, Blame that on some new medication I must have been temporarily loco, its happens to all of us at some stage in life lol
 
Am I forgiven  :)  - sorry Twaddle.
 

Well, different people have different opinions? Your's is not necessarily the best? But it's yours? People are allowed to have different opinions, that's why I posted the question... People should have opinions, "not religion?" on these subjects. And yes, I was looking for people's opinions on Drum VSTs? I'm familiar w/BFD2, but I'm interested in peoples opinions on other options? Leaning toward AD at this point, but their demo didn't work w/Sonar? It was standalone only? It may have been what I picked/installed. I'm looking seriously @ their producer option (250 bux) and I like the fact that their package seems to be flexible? In that you can pick X, Y, and Z, and then you can add things as needed... It seems to me (as a non-customer yet?) to be a good way to do things.

"So you only opened a ticket with fxpansion yesterday?"
 
For the record? Still haven't heard from fxpansion... It's not yesterday?

 
"So you only opened a ticket with fxpansion yesterday?"
 

For the record? Still haven't heard from fxpansion... It's not yesterday?

Your post is now 3 days old. yesterday (day 2) you said,

I haven't heard back on my tkt that I opened yesterday w/Fxpansion.

 
That suggests to me that you opened a ticket with fxpansion on the same day you posted here accusing them of boning you or have I got that wrong?
As I said, it's a bank holiday weekend here in the UK so you would have been lucky to have had a response before Tuesday at the earliest.
 
Do you contact support via their website or email?
Their email is usually quicker I find.  techsupport@fxpansion.com
 
All I'm trying to say is don't abandon BFD2 which you seemed to be wanting to do in your initial post.
AD2 is an improvement on AD1 but I still don't think it's quite as good as BFD2 and quite some way behind BFD3.
 
Still, there's certainly no harm in having more than one drum vst.
I have 7 but I could quite happily get rid of all of them apart from BFD3.
 
 
Steve
 
 

If starting from scratch, IMHO BFD 3 is a better product in every way compared to AD2. Better sounds, better expansions, better workflow.