2014/04/18 14:50:53
Rain
batsbrew
jeff beck.
 
he used a vintage tweed champ to record most all of the guitar parts on his last album...
 
as far as capturing big sounds from a small amp:
the mic, and correct placement, is key.
the proximity effect that you can get off of a small speaker, is MORE than enough to get you that thump that you like in a great room with a big 4x12 cab pushing air...
 
the mic does not care how many speakers you have, when close micing.
 
it hears TONE, not volume.
 
 
 
in terms of gain:
it makes sense, for recording, to use a low watt amp...
 
half the magic, is from pushing air and getting speaker excursion captured by the mic..
but the other half, is the way the preamp and power amp hit a 'sweet spot' and work together for saturation and clarity at the same time..
 
could be, you found the perfect amp for that specific setup.
 
 
for guys that are playing clubs, it's tricky, because they have to dial their sound in at MANY different volume levels, depending on the demands of the house.
 
believe me, i know, i did it professionally for 6 years full time....
and at some point, i drew down on everything....
my big 4x12's went away, and i had (2) 1x12's in closed backs, that i would set up in any fashion i needed, whether it was on the floor in front of me like monitors, or behind me pointing out at the club....
and having my mesa boogie made it possible to dial in killer tones at dinner theater volumes or wide open rock clubs.
 
but at that time, i only had a good ole sm57 to use...
 
now, i have a Palmer PDI-09, which is so much more consistent, wished i had that unit way back when.
 
point being, for live work, versus studio recording, you really need two rigs.
 
at one point, i had a 5 watt tube amp for recording, but pair it up with a larger head and cabinet for live work, and that was the best of both worlds.
 
 
Blackstar has some interesting low watt amps out right now, even down to 1 watt, that MIGHT be perfect for recording, and they are cheap.
 
the best low watt amp i've heard yet, for my tastes, that really sounds perfect for recording, is the Suhr Corso.
 
but it is expensive ($999)
 
but no more expensive than the 1 watt marshall special editions....
point is, there are a LOT Of good options out there now...
 
 
maybe look at the Mesa TA-15
it can go down to 7 watts, up to 25.
it has a top boost channel that is one of my all time favorite tones.
 
 
 
 




One of the things I picked on early when I started trying to learn from Jimmy Page is the magic of mic placement. That being said, I don't entirely trust myself and from the clips I've heard, something didn't seem quite right.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhMPdrzMAyw
 
But who knows, maybe I'll be able to get something that's a bit closer to the traditional big cab sound. I don't know because that isn't a type of sound I've worked with except with of amp sims. As for the rest, low wattage is indeed ideal for me.
 
From the reviews I've read about the similar Randall Diavlo amp, it seems that people agree that this isn't just a metal amp and that it actually sounds pretty sweet for clean and overdriven rock/blues stuff. That was also my impression, from my limited contact with it. As such, it could be the perfect solution for my needs, indeed, as it potentially covers all the type of sounds I'm likely to use.
 
I've had a little Blackstar HT-1 for a few days - and incidentally, MF has a Stupid Deal the little HT-1R combo, $199, same as the Randall. Considering their respective pedigrees, I would have expected the Blackstar to be a better contender for me. But the Blackstar didn't really do the high gain thing, and mine started making weird noises after a few days, so I brought it back.
 
If I consider similarly priced Randall's and Blackstar's, I'd have to pick Randall. The Blackstar's ISF knob really wasn't an adequate replacement for EQ. The Randall has a single tone knob and the 3-way switch, and it has an FX loop, so I can patch a Boss EQ in if I need more options. Furthermore, it does the rock thing as good as the Blackstar and does the high gain stuff a whole lot better.
 
My original intention was to put the money I had towards a Marshall DSL 15, because Marshall is the sound I know how to work with. But with the computer upgrade becoming more urgent every day, the Marshall would have fallen down the list in terms of priority. So if the Randall will fit the bill, for $200, it's a no-brainer. 
 
 
2014/04/18 16:08:38
Rain
kennywtelejazz
since we are talking about amps ,
I've pretty much got my amp needs covered for now …that is until I get a case of GAS for another amp 
depending on the playing situation , I use any one of these from my current amp selection ...
a few of them have been w me for over 30 years 
1966 Fender Vibrolux Reverb , 1976 Marshall 2100 50 watt 2X12 combo ..1983 Fender Super Champ 1 X10 combo ,
Marshall Class 5 combo, Fender Champ 600 , Vox Pathfinder 15 , and a Yamaha THR 5 ...
I've A B ed all of these amps various times at low volumes to  hear what works best for my living situation 
the Yamaha stacked up pretty good for copping a variety of tones 
thats the only one I feel comfortable playing in my apt ….
 
Kenny




That's indeed quite a fine selection. Incidentally, I've tried a Marshall Class5 combo yesterday - man, they sound sweet. Too bad I need something a bit more aggressive.
 
Maybe because they're the amps I've played the most, but I find that Marshall have been the easiest for me to work with. They're the ones I kind get my basic sound with but also the ones with which I seem to be able to dial the most satisfying approximation of other amps's type of sound, to my taste anyway. And that's the thing I'm really after these days, I guess. Oftentimes, the approximation of another type of sound is actually a lot more interesting than the actual sound, it's what makes things interesting and unique.
 
Nowadays, almost every one has access to emulations of every possible amp - but creating something that evokes a Fender or a Vox using a Marshall, as far from the original as it can be, it makes for interesting results. 
2014/04/18 16:56:34
craigb
There was a time when I loved head's (I had few combos because I always figured I had more options being able to mix and match between heads and cabs).  Here's one "Christmas Tree of GAS" I used to have (the Marshall is a '79 JMP modded by Mike Soldano and the Egnater is a custom).
 

 
Now they're all gone (along with every other pre and power amp I had except the following).  I only have a VHT Valvulator GP3 Preamp and a Mesa Boogie Rectifier Recording Preamp with a VHT 2/50/2 as my only remaining power amp.  That said, I can pretty much do anything I want with this (pedals, dual-amping, etc.).
 

 
The top items are a patchbay, TC Electronics G-Force, Rocktron Intellifex (not used right now) and a Furman power conditioner.  The Valvulator GP3 has a nice buffered input for all the stomps and an extra line out that I send to a tuner.
 
 
2014/04/18 17:22:53
michaelhanson
Marshall was supposed to have come out withy a DSL 5 a while back that was to replace the Class 5. I still haven't seen one in any of our stores.
2014/04/18 17:32:04
kennywtelejazz
Rain
kennywtelejazz
since we are talking about amps ,
I've pretty much got my amp needs covered for now …that is until I get a case of GAS for another amp 
depending on the playing situation , I use any one of these from my current amp selection ...
a few of them have been w me for over 30 years 
1966 Fender Vibrolux Reverb , 1976 Marshall 2100 50 watt 2X12 combo ..1983 Fender Super Champ 1 X10 combo ,
Marshall Class 5 combo, Fender Champ 600 , Vox Pathfinder 15 , and a Yamaha THR 5 ...
I've A B ed all of these amps various times at low volumes to  hear what works best for my living situation 
the Yamaha stacked up pretty good for copping a variety of tones 
thats the only one I feel comfortable playing in my apt ….
 
Kenny




That's indeed quite a fine selection. Incidentally, I've tried a Marshall Class5 combo yesterday - man, they sound sweet. Too bad I need something a bit more aggressive.
 
Maybe because they're the amps I've played the most, but I find that Marshall have been the easiest for me to work with. They're the ones I kind get my basic sound with but also the ones with which I seem to be able to dial the most satisfying approximation of other amps's type of sound, to my taste anyway. And that's the thing I'm really after these days, I guess. Oftentimes, the approximation of another type of sound is actually a lot more interesting than the actual sound, it's what makes things interesting and unique.
 
Nowadays, almost every one has access to emulations of every possible amp - but creating something that evokes a Fender or a Vox using a Marshall, as far from the original as it can be, it makes for interesting results. 




Thanks Rain , 
I'm lucky to still have them ,
I've learned my lesson the hard way ….I don't flip my amps to get other amps ...
I still miss the 2 50's Tweed Deluxe's I had …. Wishbone Ash wound up  with them ...
I hope you bring your SG with you when you try out amps that you are considering ….
 
Yeah , I can understand you on the Marshall's and it is somewhat true that the class 5 is more or less a real nice grab and go blues amp  imho ….it is not gonna get aggressive unless you feed it in the front end w a pedal 
here's a clip of what my Class 5  sounds like in a full band setting turned half way up un miked ...
you can't see me playing cause I'm under the lights and also I apologize if the music sucks ….
I recorded this w a zoom H3 about 15 feet from the stage ….
the sound quality is pretty much what the zoom picked up 
on this tune I'm doing most of the guitar work …
at the time I was running guitar straight into the amp 

 
also here's a couple of my amp pics ….
I wish I lived in a place where I could use them …it kinnda sucks having great recording gear and not being able to record my guitar while using my amps at home 

 

 

 

 
Kenny
 
 
 
 
2014/04/18 17:56:35
Rain
Couldn't resist, and I'm glad I didn't. With the SGJ, I think I pretty much have just the right combination for me.
 


 

2014/04/18 17:58:44
craigb
Nice!  With just a little creative manipulation of that name plate, I bet it could say "Rain" instead. 
2014/04/18 18:04:05
kennywtelejazz
all right  Rain  congratulations   Happy New Amp Day 
 
Kenny
2014/04/18 18:18:26
drewfx1
Congrats Rain! Looks nice. I love little amps.
 
(repeats to self - I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps...)
2014/04/18 18:24:37
craigb
drewfx1
Congrats Rain! Looks nice. I love little amps.
 
(repeats to self - I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps, I don't need any more amps...)




Just FYI, your subconscious mind does not understand negatives and will take the absolute value of everything it absorbs (which is why "Drive Sober" is by far preferred over "Don't Drink and Drive").  So, now consider what you're actually repeating to your self above. 
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